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The Children of Hurin Chapter Discussion: The Land of Bow and Helm

Brethil
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May 30, 1:52am


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Welcome Smile to the next installment of this weeks discussion of The Children of Hurin, 'The Land of Bow and Helm'. This chapter details Turin and Beleg and the newly named land of Dor Cuarthol, which as the Bow (Beleg) and the Helm (Turin) they attempt to drive back Morgoth...yet a team with different ideas of purpose, as we will discuss.


We read in the last chapter that Turin high-handedly refuses lembas from Doriath, and any and all things from there. Yet he accepts Beleg to him as his right hand. Is there an irony here, in rejecting gifts from Melian yet accepting the Helm from Beleg - since ultimately the Helm will identify him to Morgoth and make him a target?


The band around Turin grows with his reputation in the Camp of the Faithful. Morgoth uses this, by sending feints to build the confidence of the band - unknown to him at the time. Later we read that when Morgoth learns of Turin's identity, he sends spies so that Turin may be seized before his power would void Morgoth's curse. We discussed the mechanics of the curse in earlier chapter discussions; how does this idea, of Morgoth fearing Turin's growth of power, impact the workings of the curse and what the curse might mean?


At first, Beleg is happy that Turin dons the Helm. But shortly after this, we read 'that the Helm had wrought otherwise with Turin than he had hoped; and looking into the days to come he was troubled in mind.' In the last chapter he thinks that it might lift Turin's thought again above his life in the wild as the leader of a petty company. What do you think Beleg's thought and ultimate plan was when he brought the Helm to Turin?


The differing goals of the Two Captains: Beleg cautions Turin that the fingertips of Angband have been burned and will return...Turin's answer is, 'But is not the wrath of Angband our purpose and delight?' Beleg also specifically mentions 'the passing of secrecy'. So it seems Tuirn is living in the moment, and that the torment of Morgoth is reward in itself. Beleg seems to see beyond this. An example of the conflicting goals of Elves and Men, or of just two people who see things differently?


An insight into isolationism: Orodreth and Thingol sharing counsel. 'And he was a wise lord, according to the wisdom of those who considered first their own people, and how long they might preserve their life and wealth against the lust of the North'. Thoughts?


Orodreth also bans the company from entering his land, will not send aid, but says he will 'offer them help.' Hmmmm. I'm puzzled: what does this even mean?


Mim and his sons: the second 'also told' version of the story of Mim's betrayal involves the Orcs using his remaining son as leverage; most likely having more weight as this is the last child Mim has due to Androg's arrow (Androg, who dies a brave death). This tale doesn't clear Mim of treachery, but gives him some moral latitude. What do you think the reason for the 'alternate tale'?


In a general sense, what are your reactions to Turin and Beleg in this part of their story?

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(This post was edited by Brethil on May 30, 1:56am)

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The Children of Hurin Chapter Discussion: The Land of Bow and Helm Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 30, 1:52am
    Melkor's Curse Ihearthee Send a private message to Ihearthee May 30, 1:49pm
        Welcome Ihearthee! Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil May 30, 2:25pm
            Yes! Welcome! Mikah Send a private message to Mikah May 31, 12:33am
                Thank you Ihearthee Send a private message to Ihearthee May 31, 2:45am
                    A thought on the purposes of good and evil in Literature Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil May 31, 3:53am
                        C.S Lewis and the nexus of evil. Mikah Send a private message to Mikah May 31, 1:24pm
                            Why people do stuff... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil May 31, 3:07pm
                                Motivations of Turin's behavior. Mikah Send a private message to Mikah Jun 1, 4:17pm
                                    Clarification? Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Jun 1, 7:57pm
                No casual curse CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 1, 8:07pm
        Self-fulfillment Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 31, 11:48pm
    Some thoughts on rejection and acceptance.... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil May 30, 2:53pm
        And I will take it a step further! Mikah Send a private message to Mikah May 31, 12:19am
            Turin as teenager CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 1, 8:12pm
        Resentment as fuel Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 31, 11:51pm
    Breaking the non-existant? curse and heroic headgear. (With a note on Orodreth) Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil May 30, 3:18pm
        Indeed... Mikah Send a private message to Mikah May 31, 12:41am
        Beleg's true importance Brethil Send a private message to Brethil May 31, 11:58pm
    Quandary of Elves and Men Mikah Send a private message to Mikah May 31, 1:55pm
        This is an excellent synopsis of the dynamic Mikah Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 1, 12:03am
    The only person more twisted than Turin and Morgoth is CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 1, 9:06pm
    Cursing do's and don't's CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 1, 9:19pm
    Mixing Elves and politics CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 1, 9:33pm
    A few answers, and one lame joke sador Send a private message to sador Jun 2, 11:46am
        Your petty joke has me laughing out loud. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 2, 12:02pm
    A Cat is never late. cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Jun 15, 5:54am
        Ever hear of YODO? (No. he's not that green alien from Star Wars!) Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Jun 15, 6:45pm
        Never late, just playing with a mouse I'm sure ... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jun 23, 1:23am

 
 
 

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