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boldog
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May 28 2014, 11:02am
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Why did Tolkien invent the Taur im Duinath forest?
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Such a big and large forest that takes up most of the map space of Beleriand! Yet it doesnt have any significant role in the events of the stories. Nor does it have any role in anything! Not even mentioned, but once, that none, say Dark elves, would venture through it.
So that leaves me with the question. Why did Tolkien put it there? Was it to save some space on the map of Beleriand, to make it look bigger, though the events are mainly situated in the north?
I believe that Azog and Bolg are possibly the only two orcs who may be an exception to the typical evil nature of an orc. Azog had brought up his son, well enough that he actually acknowledges him as his own son. That is a first for any orc. And Bolg sets out to march upon Erebor in vengeance of his fathers death. How many orcs will Try and avenge another dead orc? Most will just forget about the dead one. This gives me hope that Orcs, have some traits of good in them, even if it is small aspects.
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DanielLB
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May 28 2014, 12:28pm
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Tolkien liked to dump things that didn't quite make sense. All of Tolkien's inconsistencies and enigmas were from and/or ended up there - Bombadil and Goldberry, Balrog wings, Mewlips and gorcrows, the Blue Wizards, King Bladorthin, the talking purse and thinking fox, the origin of the Orcs, Queen Berúthiel and the Entwives.
It is a forest, stuffed with mysteries and enigmas.
(This post was edited by DanielLB on May 28 2014, 12:38pm)
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Otaku-sempai
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May 28 2014, 2:01pm
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Remember that these are the Eldest Days of Middle-earth, equivalent to the time, historically, when a squirrel could theoretically travel from one end of Europe to the other without ever having to touch the ground.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Hamfast Gamgee
Tol Eressea
Jun 1 2014, 10:29am
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Of somewhere of the old days were this forest is actually connected to Fangorn forest in Middle-Earth.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jun 1 2014, 3:36pm
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Of somewhere of the old days were this forest is actually connected to Fangorn forest in Middle-Earth.
Early in the First Age there is an almost continual line of trees from Taur-im-Duinath, exending south around the Ered Luin range, blending into the Southern Forests of Eriador. There is a break at the Misty Mountains, which will one day be called the Gap of Rohan, but past that there is another vast forest that emcompasses Fangorn, the Greenwood and the Anduin Vales.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Jun 1 2014, 8:13pm
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Tolkien seems to have imagined a vast, dark primeval forest that covered western Middle-Earth
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and Taur-im-Duinath seems to have been its westernmost extension. This primeval forest was destroyed by the Númenorians, and only remnants were left, such as Old Forest and Fangorn. (The forest was inspired by the ancient forest that used to cover Europe.) It wasn't the main setting of any of the narratives, but was another part of the greater universe that continues beyond the horizon.
So to answer you, I think this great wild forest was just another image lurking in Tolkien's mind, an image which he didn't fully explore in any narrative or tale, but which existed there, as part of the background noise of his subcreation.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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Rembrethil
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Jun 1 2014, 8:23pm
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Forests may hold many secrets...
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I think of the many archetypical forests in Myth and story. They are mysterious, forbidding lands where any adventure is possible.
Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?
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CuriousG
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Jun 1 2014, 9:45pm
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You made me think that flat grasslands are just about never the setting for an adventure or mystery. Deserts can be, because they're uninhabited, but grasslands aren't pregnant with possibility. LOTR had its share of adventures in forests: the Old Forest, Lorien, Fangorn, but not a lot happened in the middle of Rohan's grasslands. Even there, the action heated up only on the edge of the forest.
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Faenoriel
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Jun 3 2014, 2:53pm
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Only if there are wild nomads roaming around!
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I recall Tolkien liked old adventure stories that featured Native Americans. Steppes have Turks, Huns, Mongols and other exciting people.
But every word you say today
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And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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Otaku-sempai
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Jun 3 2014, 6:21pm
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Plains and savannahs are also the hunting grounds for many predators: Lions, tigers, wild wolves & Wargs, etc.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Grasslands--boring!
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