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NoelGallagher
Rohan


May 28 2014, 8:30am

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The Thorin-stays-alive-Rumor Can't Post

So, what do you think, is there any truth in it maybe ?
Or is it just a really stupid headline ?

I´m really confused about that now. Some might say RA already confirmed that his death scene has been shooted..but on the other hand, there have been so many changes already ( Azog/Bolg, Thrain, Dol Guldur subplot etc.) that it could (!) be possible they changed another major plot in TBOTFA.

Any thoughts ?


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boldog
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May 28 2014, 8:36am

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This is the one thing they cant change though [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorins death scene is the fundamental part of the whole story. When he realises in his dying moments, that gold, wealth and material goods, are no match to love, friendship, and happiness. It is the touching moral to the story. If this is ignored PJ officially ruined The Hobbit. I will never forgive him, if Thorin lives. But I can assure you that he will die.Smile

I believe that Azog and Bolg are possibly the only two orcs who may be an exception to the typical evil nature of an orc. Azog had brought up his son, well enough that he actually acknowledges him as his own son. That is a first for any orc. And Bolg sets out to march upon Erebor in vengeance of his fathers death. How many orcs will Try and avenge another dead orc? Most will just forget about the dead one. This gives me hope that Orcs, have some traits of good in them, even if it is small aspects.


Crunchable Birdses
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May 28 2014, 10:11am

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Erm... [In reply to] Can't Post

This is even less likely than the NecroSmaug rumour, you know.

* crunch *


dormouse
Half-elven


May 28 2014, 11:44am

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About as likely as the.... [In reply to] Can't Post

.. Beorn arrives at the Battle in a pink frilly tutu rumour.


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 28 2014, 12:04pm

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LOL. Agree with dormouse here. Can this zombie stop getting resurrected again?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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painjoiker
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May 28 2014, 1:04pm

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Richard himself have said that Thorin will die... [In reply to] Can't Post

So the rumor is fals Smile

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Eruvandi
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May 28 2014, 1:48pm

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IMO [In reply to] Can't Post

There would be no point in continuing the "Thorin sinks into madness" plotline if he wasn't going to die at the end. That's sort of the whole point of having a tragic hero. IMO, this rumor is totally bogus and I'm soooooo not worried about it.

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tsmith675
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May 28 2014, 2:41pm

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False.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Avandel
Valinor

May 28 2014, 3:33pm

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oh, I don't know re tragedy and redemption [In reply to] Can't Post

OT because this could take up - and probably has and will - entire threads. "There would be no point in continuing the "Thorin sinks into madness" plotline if he wasn't going to die at the end. That's sort of the whole point of having a tragic hero."

Guess so if you want to keep a TRAGIC hero, which much literature does. But IMO in the films this character has suffered quite enough, and there's also for me a real question of this isn't greed at least in human terms, and the question of everyone elses' behavior.

Although, much as I hate it, assuming that Thorin is pretty far gone mentally by the battle, it'll say much about the strength of dwarves in general? His own mental strength? that he shakes off the dragon sickness to rally his company and charge, one last time. Depending on how the movie portrays all this, since it's supposedly "shorter" *sulk*Unsure

Back OT! Yes, RA himself while not openly saying so - as far as I know - has made comments like "if you've read the book, you know what happens." Think this whole idea keeps coming up (much as it would cheer me up personally) re slapped-together, out-of-context, outdated material type articles like this (not even worth reading, really, just a bad rehash). Someone filling web page space and using words like "Sauron" to get attention.

http://www.enstarz.com/...e-mountain-video.htm


Kilidoescartwheels
Gondor

May 28 2014, 6:16pm

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It's not Thorin that won't die [In reply to] Can't Post

It's this STUPID RUMOR!!! I think this is the third time this has come up, probably based on somebody's fanfic.Tongue


Faenoriel
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May 28 2014, 9:07pm

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False, false and false [In reply to] Can't Post

Some director might save the second most important main character, but not PJ. If for nothing else, because he loves death scenes too much.

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Snowghost77
Lorien


May 28 2014, 11:18pm

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It said thorin will survive the movie... [In reply to] Can't Post

It never said the entire movie, or the final battle. Considering thorin survives until the very end, leads me to believe that it's just to stir things up...they know and we know this is just a ploy to stir up average fans who don't know much about the story.

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glor
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May 28 2014, 11:52pm

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True, Thorin will not die .. [In reply to] Can't Post

during BOFA. he will die after BOFA of wounds from that battle, as per the book.

I think this is where the interwebz silly Thorin lives comes from, they are conflating death on the battlefield, with death from battle.

Of course, the confusion has been amplified (possibly) by the fact that the third Hobbit film is now called Battle of Five Armies.


The Foehammer
The Shire


May 29 2014, 12:58am

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Stay cannon or gtfo [In reply to] Can't Post


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Thorins death scene is the fundamental part of the whole story. When he realises in his dying moments, that gold, wealth and material goods, are no match to love, friendship, and happiness. It is the touching moral to the story. If this is ignored PJ officially ruined The Hobbit. I will never forgive him, if Thorin lives. But I can assure you that he will die.Smile


Basically this. Well said.

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Yngwulff
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May 29 2014, 2:13am

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highly doubtful [In reply to] Can't Post

no way jose

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 29 2014, 2:29am

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It's the fans stirring things up this time [In reply to] Can't Post

Google "Thorin Petition" and a bunch of petitions to PJ to let Thorin live and articles on said petitions pop up.


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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV, V

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Avandel
Valinor

May 29 2014, 4:38pm

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ENTERTAINMENT NEWS UPDATE - New York, NY - Fans of dwarf leader Thorin Oakenshield (British actor Richard Armitage) of director Peter Jackson's adaptation of Tolkien's classic work, The Hobbit, took to the Internet in waves of posts and tweets to cheer the news that the fiery mountain king, who in the original text receives a terrible wound during the pivotal battle, has now apparently received a happily-ever-after ending in the third installment of the movie trilogy.

The news broke last night through a leaked e-mail from a Thorin fan whose "sister-in-law's cousin (once removed) is friend of a of a guy who works shipping stuff to New Zealand who is drinking buddies with the guy who was the plane spotter on the Hobbit set whose girlfriend types up scripts and, you know, got to do odd jobs here and there. And was actually *almost* an extra!"

Reportedly although Sir Peter Jackson filmed what is considered to be one of the most poignant and oft-quoted scenes from literature, during recent edits the director made the abrupt decision to travel with a crew to London, and secretly re-shoot key ending scenes with Richard Armitage, Martin Freeman, Aidan Turner, Evangeline Lily, Lee Pace, Orlando Bloom, and Dean O'Gorman.

In an informal statement this morning, Sir Peter Jackson explained "so I was sitting there in my editing cave, and going through this footage I couldn't even get anything done. Everyone including me was crying. And I thought "how's this going to play with the kiddies, this is a major bummer of a movie! And way too dark and violent - there's the ratings to consider. I was actually going into a depression, and then Philippa at one point just completely broke down and ran from the room. Fran insisted the original footage just isn't going to work for a major film release."

Sir Jackson went on "I know that any number of book fans, literary fans, film fans looking for the depiction of key scenes, will be outraged. Folks who actually LIKE crying at movies. But they gotta remember, this is a HOLIDAY film. Plus, let's not forget, the rabid nature of the fans of the Heirs of Durin - for Gawd's sake, the Thorin Thralls disrupted commerce and transportation around the world last year, just with the frenzy over a POSTER. Makes more sense to channel that energy - and dollars - straight into repeat theater viewings!"

"So I'm giving folks what they want (and sells). There's a new, and absolutely INTENSE interchange between Thranduil and Thorin (with an extended version planned for the EE) - and they end up becoming friends at the end and hugging and crying! (though filming that was a little difficult considering the height difference, so Thorin didn't look stupid). BTW, Thranduil has proved to be such a sensation that we've expanded his part, and are in licensing deals with various marketers for a line of skin care products - we're thinking the ad line will be "Forever Fabulous" - or maybe "Ageless Magic"?

"Plus, of course, Fili and Kili will also have heart-warming endings, with Tauriel discovering she admires Fili's sense of responsibility and falling in love with him, while Thranduil agrees to host Kili in Mirkwood to train him in elven archery skills - lots of elven girls too! Legolas' admiration for dwarves grows during the battle and he becomes a staunch friend of Thorin's, setting the stage for a relationship with Gimli in LOTR. Meanwhile the Arkenstone, the source of so much trouble, is accidentally dropped by Bilbo into an old mining shaft, so there's plenty of room for sequels re trouble resurfacing when the stone is found again. Bilbo of course fights heroically with Sting throughout the battle, neatly saving the entire cast at one point or another with his light-footed hobbit moves."

"And of course, we hired the best hair care specialists and tailors in England and Europe to ensure that Thorin, Thranduil, Legolas, Tauriel, Fili, and Kili look especially hot - gotta consider the PR! Everyone got special contacts so their eyes will look smouldering on camera. Thorin in particular is known for utterly amazing hair, so it needed to be eye-blindingly glossy and flowing on the battlefield - to visually contrast with the inherent evil of the Necromancer and Azog. (Thankfully Richard is already known for having great teeth, so we were able to save a little on the dental treatments - but everyone else got a teeth bleach job - hur, hur, that was a cranky cast in London, that day! I can't even repeat the comments Martin Freeman made, hur hur.")

"All this beauty against the gore and darkness of the battlefield, but light triumphs dark. It will be EPIC, I promise!"

A more formal statement will be released by Sir Peter Jackson and Warner Brothers later today, as Sir Jackson flashed his famous appealing impish grin "Well, I HAVE said it's fun to tweak the fans, now and again. And it does my heart good, when I see the massive flood of ecstatic messages from these rabid Heirs of Durin followers. And Philippa has stopped crying."

"True, there will be a fair number of protests from the Tolkien readers and other groups, but I got plenty of flack about LOTR too - you just can't make everyone happy. Besides, most of the people that go to these movies never read the book and won't notice the difference anyway."

"They just want to see Smaug burn things up, a kick-ass battle, and some smokin' hot leads fighting with swords and arrows. BTW, Smaug is so popular we're thinking of tweaking his original ending too, so he can show up for a sequel, but we're still looking the budget over. We really love the idea of bringing in another dragon - female, of course."



(This post was edited by entmaiden on May 29 2014, 7:44pm)


The Foehammer
The Shire


May 29 2014, 4:47pm

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Disgusting. [In reply to] Can't Post


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ENTERTAINMENT NEWS UPDATE - New York, NY - Fans of dwarf leader Thorin Oakenshield (British actor Richard Armitage) of director Peter Jackson's adaptation of Tolkien's classic work, The Hobbit, took to the Internet in waves of posts and tweets to cheer the news that the fiery mountain king, who in the original text receives a terrible wound during the pivotal battle, has now apparently received a happily-ever-after ending in the third installment of the movie trilogy.

The news broke last night through a leaked e-mail from a Thorin fan whose "sister-in-law's cousin (once removed) is friend of a of a guy who works shipping stuff to New Zealand who is drinking buddies with the guy who was the plane spotter on the Hobbit set whose girlfriend types up scripts and, you know, got to do odd jobs here and there. And was actually *almost* an extra!"

Reportedly although Sir Peter Jackson filmed what is considered to be one of the most poignant and oft-quoted scenes from literature, during recent edits the director made the abrupt decision to travel with a crew to London, and secretly re-shoot key ending scenes with Richard Armitage, Martin Freeman, Aidan Turner, Evangeline Lily, Lee Pace, Orlando Bloom, and Dean O'Gorman.

In an informal statement this morning, Sir Peter Jackson explained "so I was sitting there in my editing cave, and going through this footage I couldn't even get anything done. Everyone including me was crying. And I thought "how's this going to play with the kiddies, this is a major bummer of a movie! And way too dark and violent - there's the ratings to consider. I was actually going into a depression, and then Philippa at one point just completely broke down and ran from the room. Fran insisted the original footage just isn't going to work for a major film release."

Sir Jackson went on "I know that any number of book fans, literary fans, film fans looking for the depiction of key scenes, will be outraged. Folks who actually LIKE crying at movies. But they gotta remember, this is a HOLIDAY film. Plus, let's not forget, the rabid nature of the fans of the Heirs of Durin - for Gawd's sake, the Thorin Thralls disrupted commerce and transportation around the world last year, just with the frenzy over a POSTER. Makes more sense to channel that energy - and dollars - straight into repeat theater viewings!"

"So I'm giving folks what they want (and sells). There's a new, and absolutely INTENSE interchange between Thranduil and Thorin (with an extended version planned for the EE) - and they end up becoming friends at the end and hugging and crying! (though filming that was a little difficult considering the height difference, so Thorin didn't look stupid). BTW, Thranduil has proved to be such a sensation that we've expanded his part, and are in licensing deals with various marketers for a line of skin care products - we're thinking the ad line will be "Forever Fabulous" - or maybe "Ageless Magic"?

"Plus, of course, Fili and Kili will also have heart-warming endings, with Tauriel discovering she admires Fili's sense of responsibility and falling in love with him, while Thranduil agrees to host Kili in Mirkwood to train him in elven archery skills - lots of elven girls too! Legolas' admiration for dwarves grows during the battle and he becomes a staunch friend of Thorin's, setting the stage for a relationship with Gimli in LOTR. Meanwhile the Arkenstone, the source of so much trouble, is accidentally dropped by Bilbo into an old mining shaft, so there's plenty of room for sequels re trouble resurfacing when the stone is found again. Bilbo of course fights heroically with Sting throughout the battle, neatly saving the entire cast at one point or another with his light-footed hobbit moves."

"And of course, we hired the best hair care specialists and tailors in England and Europe to ensure that Thorin, Thranduil, Legolas, Tauriel, Fili, and Kili look especially hot - gotta consider the PR! Everyone got special contacts so their eyes will look smouldering on camera. Thorin in particular is known for utterly amazing hair, so it needed to be eye-blindingly glossy and flowing on the battlefield - to visually contrast with the inherent evil of the Necromancer and Azog. (Thankfully Richard is already known for having great teeth, so we were able to save a little on the dental treatments - but everyone else got a teeth bleach job - hur, hur, that was a cranky cast in London, that day! I can't even repeat the comments Martin Freeman made, hur hur.")

"All this beauty against the gore and darkness of the battlefield, but light triumphs dark. It will be EPIC, I promise!"

A more formal statement will be released by Sir Peter Jackson and Warner Brothers later today, as Sir Jackson flashed his famous appealing impish grin "Well, I HAVE said it's fun to tweak the fans, now and again. And it does my heart good, when I see the massive flood of ecstatic messages from these rabid Heirs of Durin followers. And Philippa has stopped crying."

"True, there will be a fair number of protests from the Tolkien readers and other groups, but I got plenty of flack about LOTR too - you just can't make everyone happy. Besides, most of the people that go to these movies never read the book and won't notice the difference anyway."

"They just want to see Smaug burn things up, a kick-ass battle, and some smokin' hot leads fighting with swords and arrows. BTW, Smaug is so popular we're thinking of tweaking his original ending too, so he can show up for a sequel, but we're still looking the budget over. We really love the idea of bringing in another dragon - female, of course."
- Reuters



I'm definitely not taking any of this seriously until it actually happens, if he truly feels trollish and has no respect for the fans of the books or the actual cannon, it's disgusting and I would be ashamed to have supported the franchise this long.

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NecromancerRising
Gondor


May 29 2014, 4:53pm

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That was the best article i have read for a very long timeHeart

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Elanor of Rohan
Lorien


May 29 2014, 7:26pm

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Thank you Avandel [In reply to] Can't Post

We were definitely waiting for some tongue-in-cheek posts.
Let's laugh about this (and about haircare products, and Tauriel falling for responsible Fili...)

This is no Hollywood movie and PJ (not to mention Fran and Philippa) has always been respectful of Tolkien's work. One thing is to create a character like Tauriel (a bit of a stretch, yes, but nothing absurd), one thing is making Thorin survive: that's fanfiction...
And as long as we are all dreading the Durins' deaths, there is no other way...
Who would change a Greek tragedy's ending? Who would let Desdemona, or Juliet survive?
Noone, not even the staunchest fans..


Elarie
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May 29 2014, 8:10pm

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LOL - Thanks - best laugh all day. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


And once again the world has not arranged itself just for me. Tsk, tsk.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


May 29 2014, 10:08pm

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ENTERTAINMENT NEWS UPDATE - New York, NY - Fans of dwarf leader Thorin Oakenshield (British actor Richard Armitage) of director Peter Jackson's adaptation of Tolkien's classic work, The Hobbit, took to the Internet in waves of posts and tweets to cheer the news that the fiery mountain king, who in the original text receives a terrible wound during the pivotal battle, has now apparently received a happily-ever-after ending in the third installment of the movie trilogy.



I'm surpised that anyone could have taken this at all seriously.

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Kim
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May 29 2014, 10:20pm

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The news broke last night through a leaked e-mail from a Thorin fan whose "sister-in-law's cousin (once removed) is friend of a of a guy who works shipping stuff to New Zealand who is drinking buddies with the guy who was the plane spotter on the Hobbit set whose girlfriend types up scripts and, you know, got to do odd jobs here and there. And was actually *almost* an extra!"



At last, the definitive answer from a reliable source! Wonderful news, I can stop stocking up on tissues now.



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Queen of Erebor
Lorien


May 29 2014, 10:28pm

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Thanks for cheering us up, Avandel... [In reply to] Can't Post

too bad it's not actually true, because that's an ending I could live with. At least us Thorin fans will know where to come when we need cheering up (we're going to have to start some kind of support group, but I love these fan fics that alter the ending. Thorin won't die in any of my fan fics either, since why would I write about something that will cause me to burst into tears at any moment) after witnessing the events of BoFA.Wink

Back on topic, what's wrong with wanting your favorite character to survive? One possible change and it has the purists in an uproar (so glad I'm not one of them, since I don't care if they change it around, as long as it's interesting. Nearly everything I like is based on a book, so I'd miss out on a lot of good movies and TV series if I was like this). I'm still considering waiting until BoFA gets released on Blu-ray and DVD to see it (still haven't decided yet, but I won't be avoiding TORN even if I do decide to do this, since I read spoilers all of the time. I'm going to see it anyway, eventually, so what's the difference), so that I can mourn in peace (and since I'll be a mess, it's best if other people don't see me like this, so this is another reason to wait).Smile

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Avandel
Valinor

May 29 2014, 10:58pm

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WARNER BROTHERS RESPONDS TO HOBBIT MOVIE CRITICS - Los Angeles, California

Top Warner Brothers' executive Imrich Urnot responded to a flurry of passionate criticism from fans of the beloved classic tale, The Hobbit over alterations in the film version of the originally written tragic narrative. The Hobbit is cherished as a whimsical, yet heart-wrenching tale of pride, greed, courage, and redemption that is considered a modern classic. An online furor eupted late this moring when the news was leaked that director Sir Peter Jackson has re-filmed his original footage, altering the original ending from the text to a "modern update more in keeping with current value systems, less black and white to more shades of grey. And, of course, is a tribute to the astounding popularity certain key characters have engendered in the films, to the point that it was obvious that attempting to preserve the original source material within a modern film was not sustainable, or economically viable, in a strained movie industry where we have to fight for every dollar getting folks in the door - and to come back in the door!"

"Call me Imrich." The balding WB executive smiled affably at this reporter from his luxurious Los Angeles penthouse office, which boasted spectacular 360-degree views of the city. He smoothed the lapels of his silk Armani suit while sipping from a Waterford crystal highball glass. "Imrich" gestured expansively.

"OK, so about these "protests" from the book? community over changing the ending for a FANTASY film - well, gotta say I haven't read a book in YEARS, don't read anything except stock reports, the Wall Street Journal, and Golf Digest, and that sure hasn't hurt me any. So I'm not sure what the big deal is here, hur, hur."

"Imrich" studied his beautifully manicured hands. "For one thing, these highbrow literary types are so busy with their nose in a book, they don't look up and see what's going on around them, yes? The sheer fact of the matter is that the entertainment industry right now is at EXTREMES - on the one hand you've got stuff like the Hunger Games and angst and folks like Tarentino, bodies and tears and blood and violence and all that, all over the place. Gritty apocalyptic life-sucks horribleness. Then you've got the bling movies, bigger effects, 3-D, Godzilla coming right through the screen at you. Everything's gotta top everything else, folks want more, bigger, different - Avatar started all that."

"But the flip side of the dark stuff is folks just don't like FINALITY, and neither does the movie industry - too much money to be made off sequels these days, for one thing. But these bookish types don't notice, last ten, twenty years, nobody checks out for that big resort in the sky. Look - it's like a revolving door, Star Wars, Spiderman, Terminator, Star Trek, Superman, POTC, Transformers - you either end up in cyberspace or in some alternate reality plane, or like the Twilighters you end up never checking out at all. Or you're going back in time or something."

"Point is, you show back up, one way or the other - probably looking for a fast-food place depending on how long you've been in a holding pattern. That's what folks have been liking, they don't want all that depression and all, they want to see their favs again. And don't think I don't know some of these Hobbit fans wanted MORE of the LOTR cast to show up - bad enough we've had to budget for so much silicon and CGI already. Personally I can't wait for the day when we can just do some digital scans on the cast, and then send everyone home. Then we'll have a permanent library of ageless actors and actresses on staff, who won't be complaining about their contracts either."

"Imrich" confided "Well, PJ has done for us, and we do for him, so we gave him a lot of rope filming these movies. So we let him film the Hobbit 3 movie his way, letting him respect the book like he wanted. Even though after seeing the first cut I had to take my wife and daughters on vacation to distract them, they were so bummed out. But I can't say we here at WB are upset - in fact we're delighted and bankrolling these new ending reshoots - because our guys have run the numbers, tracking trends, social media, you name it."

"And it turns out, for one thing, that for every po'd, betrayed "Hobbit book fan" there's a whole group of folks who view books as a way to prop up a computer monitor, or weigh down something they're gluing. In fact, the non-readers outnumber the readers, by a huge margin. Then throw in these "hot dwarf fans" (can't really see it myself, personally I think that Bard's really something with that Welsh accent and intense eyes *ahem*) but for every outraged "Hobbit fan" there are these besotted types who will PAY, and pay, to see multiple viewings of their personal favs - as long as they're HAPPY and feel warm and fuzzy when they leave the theater. Our social media peeps don't like reading stuff like "I'm not gonna see this, it's too depressing," because for every post like that, that's dollars lost. Plus, of course, these days you always want to leave that sequel door WIDE open - never hurts to start that buzz about when the next movie is going to be."

Ice tinkled delicately against the expensive crystal as "Imrich" finished his drink. "Warner Brothers has always fulfilled its duty to its stockholders - we've saved millions, for instance, in cutting back on expensive PR costs by trimming the fat and letting social media do a lot of that work for free. So we're well aware that Disney has been scoring major profits - and with what? A family-friendly movie. Hunger Games in the holiday time slot already has the "dark gritty apocalypse" thing covered for that release time. So we're incredibly pleased to be taking over a more family-friendly niche, capturing a wider audience and at the same time bringing those upset dwarf lovers back into the fold - along with their credit cards. As for the recent Hobbit "canon" protesters - if they are that into it, we figure sooner or later they won't be able to stand it and will take a peek, we'll get 'em even if it's on the lucrative DVD/BR market.

"Imrich" concluded "Well, not being bookish myself, I suppose it's like loving the lines of my 1955 Rolls, wouldn't want someone messing with that either. But time moves on in the movie industry - hur hur - just like Westerns used to be popular films. So Warner Brothers is completely supportive of PJ and his revamping of the Hobbit, and fully admire his commitment to bringing the last *winks* of the Hobbit movies to be enjoyed by the widest possible audience worldwide."


(This post was edited by entmaiden on May 30 2014, 12:02am)

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