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I would love to see the Hobbit remade!
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Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan


May 19 2014, 3:20pm

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I would love to see the Hobbit remade! Can't Post

One three hour film made like lotrs. Then I would never have to look at these 3 cartoons we have ever again. The dvds could be used as drink coasters like the Star Wars prequels...

I mean seriously -What happened??

My favourite book of all time got turned into a bad Narnia trilogy.


(This post was edited by entmaiden on May 19 2014, 5:27pm)


NecromancerRising
Gondor


May 19 2014, 3:32pm

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Stay tuned [In reply to] Can't Post

and your wish may truly happen in the next 25-30 years.Since you leave no room for discussion that is all i am going to say.

"Obsession and narrow-mindness is the trend of the 2000's and synonyms to many Tolkien fanatics"


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 19 2014, 3:33pm

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I'm sure it could be done. [In reply to] Can't Post

Let's specify one, stand-alone film that does not reference any of the Peter Jackson LotR movies. Some things from the book would have to be condensed. At the same time, it might be possible to include a few nods at events that would have taken place off-stage:

- Gandalf encountering Thorin in Bree.
- A cameo of 10 year-old Estel (Aragorn) in Rivendell.
- Some accounting of Legolas. He was present, but Bilbo just never met him.
- The White Council and Dol Guldur.
- Introduce Bard sooner by making him the guard who escorts the company to the Master of Lake-town.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Annatar598
Rohan


May 19 2014, 3:37pm

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The Hobbit will be remade long after all of us are dead [In reply to] Can't Post

They're too successful to be remade, after all. Both commercially and publicly. Unless if the bashers have decided to come out with a new concocted survey that tells us that 80% of respondents would prefer polio over these movies.

It's not like a superhero franchise where you can reboot the darn thing. We might get spin offs. MIGHT. 1% chance of that.

This is as close to the Hobbit you'll get as a movie in your life :) These movies ALMOST never got made so I would doubt that there wouldn't be a rights issue involved.

It's a shame people who claim the Hobbit as their favourite book don't know it enough to believe that it cannot be made into one 3 hour movie. Unless if they want mediocre, rushed, depthless adaptations that is.

"[Annatar598] is an overzealous apologist [for PJ]" - Certain TORn member.

Really? Alright...

Well, proud to be one I guess.

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Eleniel
Tol Eressea


May 19 2014, 3:55pm

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The animated R-B verson proves it can be done... [In reply to] Can't Post

even allowing for the adding back in of Beorn and the Arkenstone, etc it would still come in under 2 hours, and including your suggestions also would still fit within 3 hours...


But I would be quite happy with Jackson's HOBBIT - a fan edit, that is, trimmed deftly down to two movies. There IS an excellent adaptation of the book in there, it's just drowning somewhat under self-indulgence and excessive epic-ness! Wink



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Let's specify one, stand-alone film that does not reference any of the Peter Jackson LotR movies. Some things from the book would have to be condensed. At the same time, it might be possible to include a few nods at events that would have taken place off-stage:

- Gandalf encountering Thorin in Bree.
- A cameo of 10 year-old Estel (Aragorn) in Rivendell.
- Some accounting of Legolas. He was present, but Bilbo just never met him.
- The White Council and Dol Guldur.
- Introduce Bard sooner by making him the guard who escorts the company to the Master of Lake-town



"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort


(This post was edited by Eleniel on May 19 2014, 3:56pm)


Arannir
Valinor


May 19 2014, 3:55pm

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I have sympathy with your feelings... [In reply to] Can't Post

... though I disagree with them and hoped we could have gone back to a more balanced discussion-style. I had hoped though, too, that some of those overly fast with dismissing complaints about these movies had reacted calmer as well.

Still, I do have sympathy, as I myself was doubtful before AUJ came out that I would not get the return to movie-Middle-earththat I hoped for so much. Maybe those so critical of all negative remarks should think for a minute the movies would have dissapointed THEIR hopes. Maybe this would lead to fairer discussions.

For me, because of the expansion of the story and the additions/changes to canon, this story gained much appeal. So this disappointment you have to suffer now passed me.


I could see the Hobbit being re-made with the next 20-30 years... I think a good idea would be an animation movie in the style of the new (or even old) Tintin movies.


“All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."

(This post was edited by Arannir on May 19 2014, 3:59pm)


Snowghost77
Lorien


May 19 2014, 4:13pm

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You should get on that asap... [In reply to] Can't Post

Like people have said...won't happen for like a million years

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In memory of operation FALLEN ANGEL and the mighty Heroes of SEAL team 6, the PJ's, SOCOM aviation, and all those who fell in the Tangi Valley.
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SafeUnderHill
Rohan

May 19 2014, 4:15pm

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There is a one film version [In reply to] Can't Post

That's a cartoon though, which you seem to take offence to. How about a live actions version, hmm well that's 3 films. I think you're possible plans of action are as follows:

1. Learn I enjoy cartoons
2. Learn to enjoy multiple films from a single book
3. Make you're own perfect film (some people around here seem to think it would be easy)
4. Make a fan edit of the PJ films

There's plenty of scenes that seem to capture the Hobbit spirit very well (particularly in AUJ where many scenes such as in Bag End were left in for book fans even though they were not as important to the plot and pace of the movie), so just make a cut of them. If you honesty can't enjoy any scenes from these films then I think you should stick to the book, I doubt any film would do justice to you.


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Otaku-sempai
Immortal


May 19 2014, 4:16pm

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Given the level of streamlining in the Rankin/Bass version... [In reply to] Can't Post

The animated 1977 version of The Hobbit would likely still come in at uround 90 to 100 minutes even if Beorn and the Arkenstone were restored to the story. However, I don't think that such an extreme condensation is what Avnar has in mind.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on May 19 2014, 4:17pm)


bungobaggins
Lorien

May 19 2014, 4:20pm

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Oh, look what you've done! [In reply to] Can't Post

Here comes the butthurt! "Go make your own movie!" Laugh

Angelic


tsmith675
Gondor


May 19 2014, 4:22pm

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Speaking of the Star Wars prequels... [In reply to] Can't Post

You sound like cry-baby Anakin in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.

You leave no room for discussion in this post. It would be different if you actually asked a question, or even posted something that even led to a discussion at all. But it seems like you're just trying to start a rumble.

I totally respect your opinion, just not the way it's presented here. This is a discussion board, make a post that leaves room for discussion!

Our destiny lies above us.


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


May 19 2014, 4:22pm

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Boo! [In reply to] Can't Post

and remove Beorn and countless other scenes to make it one film, and it would have to be over 4 hours long.


The flames of war are upon you..


J Pierpont Flathead
Rivendell

May 19 2014, 4:27pm

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Support Group [In reply to] Can't Post


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You leave no room for discussion in this post. It would be different if you actually asked a question, or even posted something that even led to a discussion at all....

There's nothing wrong with forming a support group of like-minded people discussing a common cause that helps that group feel better. Intruding on that's group's discussion to tell them they can't feel the way they do seems a bit futile and rude to me. They wanted a movie they liked. They didn't get it. There's plenty of room for discussion and commiseration about it. A remake is just the OP's way of introducing their dissatisfaction. Once we understand that, perhaps we can be more sympathetic.


(This post was edited by J Pierpont Flathead on May 19 2014, 4:32pm)


tsmith675
Gondor


May 19 2014, 4:31pm

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Like I said... [In reply to] Can't Post

I respect the opinion. It just felt like stomping around and bitching. Which I can totally understand when you're disappointed in something, just have a point to it. If he had just asked a simple question at the end of the post like: "Would you like to see the Hobbit remade?" Or "Have you felt similarly about these films?" I would be totally fine with it. There just isn't room for any discussion the way it's written.

Our destiny lies above us.

(This post was edited by tsmith675 on May 19 2014, 4:35pm)


Snowghost77
Lorien


May 19 2014, 4:44pm

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lol...support groups! I have this image in my mind.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Of people sitting around in a circle sharing their most traumatic hobbit experiences with each other...
"Hi my name is Mike and I don't like the hobbit"
"Hi mike"
..I just laughed pretty hard out loud at the VA and got some funny looks....thanks for the laugh bro..much needed

The path of the Warrior is paved in blood, sweat, tears and ultimately death. He weeps for the fallen, bleeds for the cause, and sweats till he dies.
In memory of operation FALLEN ANGEL and the mighty Heroes of SEAL team 6, the PJ's, SOCOM aviation, and all those who fell in the Tangi Valley.
- Task force Warrior will not forget you


Darkstone
Immortal


May 19 2014, 4:55pm

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Sure! [In reply to] Can't Post

That way you could be thoroughly disappointed a second time!

As Voltaire put it at the beginning of "La Bégueule" (1772):

Dans ses écrits, un sage Italien
Dit que le mieux est l'ennemi du bien.


Or to put it another way, what screws us up most in life is the picture in our head of how it’s supposed to be.

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Now doth Tinuviel put forth her skill and fairy-magic, and she sews Beren into this fell and makes him to the likeness of a great cat, and she teaches him how to sit and sprawl, to step and bound and trot in the semblance of a cat, till Huan's very whiskers bristled at the sight, and thereat Beren and Tinuviel laughed. Never however could Beren learn to screech or wail or to purr like any cat that ever walked, nor could Tinuviel awaken a glow in the dead eyes of the catskin -- "but we must put up with that," said she, "and thou hast the air of a very noble cat if thou but hold thy tongue." Then did they bid farewell to Huan and set out for the halls of Melko by easy journeys, for Beren was in great discomfort and heat within the fur of Oikeroi, and Tinuviel's heart became lighter awhile than it had been for long, and she stroked Beren or pulled his tail, and Beren was angry because he could not lash it in answer as fiercely as he wished.
-Book of Lost Tales II


bungobaggins
Lorien

May 19 2014, 4:57pm

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Yup! [In reply to] Can't Post

Jackson really screwed up the story with what was in his head.

Angelic


Darkstone
Immortal


May 19 2014, 5:01pm

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Absolutely! [In reply to] Can't Post

If only he'd done it according to what's in my head it would have been PERFECT!

Dang him for not being a long distance mind-reader!!

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Now doth Tinuviel put forth her skill and fairy-magic, and she sews Beren into this fell and makes him to the likeness of a great cat, and she teaches him how to sit and sprawl, to step and bound and trot in the semblance of a cat, till Huan's very whiskers bristled at the sight, and thereat Beren and Tinuviel laughed. Never however could Beren learn to screech or wail or to purr like any cat that ever walked, nor could Tinuviel awaken a glow in the dead eyes of the catskin -- "but we must put up with that," said she, "and thou hast the air of a very noble cat if thou but hold thy tongue." Then did they bid farewell to Huan and set out for the halls of Melko by easy journeys, for Beren was in great discomfort and heat within the fur of Oikeroi, and Tinuviel's heart became lighter awhile than it had been for long, and she stroked Beren or pulled his tail, and Beren was angry because he could not lash it in answer as fiercely as he wished.
-Book of Lost Tales II


Arannir
Valinor


May 19 2014, 5:04pm

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Without... [In reply to] Can't Post

... addressing anyone in particular, I - as a big fan of this approach to TH and very content and positively surprised with the adaptation - want to distance myself from anyone frowning upon those stating their disappointment (even if it may be a bit aggrevating).

There is plenty of room on TORN for people to say how great RA looks or threads only meant to thank PJ & Co - without any question asked or topic explained to discuss.

Nobody from the creatives will be hurt by this post (they seem to stand firmly behind their approach anyway), I am sure, nor will it be enough to destroy the TORN-experience for those who like or love these movies. As the books, these movies are something organic people have different approaches to and experience them in different ways - nothing anyone can or should protect.

I said it before, and I will say it again: It only hurts the discussions and arguments of those who want balanced views in levelled exchange of opinions here, without getting cornered into either the fanboy or hater camp. I do not think those people will do the movies and the "likers" much good, as it makes it for those disliking the movie much easier to be proven right that anyone liking it must be a fanboy.


“All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."

(This post was edited by Arannir on May 19 2014, 5:06pm)


J Pierpont Flathead
Rivendell

May 19 2014, 5:06pm

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Remake [In reply to] Can't Post

I doubt there will be a remake within 25 years. But when the rights finally expire however many years from now, there should be plenty of Middle-earth productions and new mythology created. By that time, we should be beyond Uncanny Valley and perhaps even the images and voices of the actors used today can reappear then. None of us may be around for that, and a lot of it will be awful, but some will be great. At least we can have faith that the story will survive.


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Of people sitting around in a circle sharing their most traumatic hobbit experiences with each other...

On the whole, I'd rather have the films that Jackson is making than not at all because there are some things I enjoy, such as the White Council story. But I agree with most of the complaints that have come from audiences and critics of the films. And those complaints are almost entirely caused by Jackson's predilection for juvenile indulgences and spectacle. The Goblintown bridge scene is at the top of my list for traumatic experiences watching these movies. It's utterly cringeworthy. But at the same time, I very much appreciated that the Goblin King was intelligent instead of a blithering idiot. I guess you could say the contrast makes the films wildly inconsistent. And worthy of a remake, eventually.


Hanzkaz
Rohan

May 19 2014, 5:21pm

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I suppose you could make a movie more 'faithful' to the book (spoilers) - [In reply to] Can't Post

- but I suspect that apart from some of the book fans, some people might prefer PJ's version.

The Dwarves from the book can come across as a cranky, mostly interchangeable and often incompetent bunch who often make you wonder how they managed to survive before they met Bilbo.

Then there are Gandalf's absences during the story. A lot of audiences would not be merely satisfied that the Grey Wizard was off doing 'something important' when there was a Dragon to be dealt with - especially when they found out about the Necromancer (that was pretty much my reaction when I first read the book years ago).

Then you have Bilbo at the Battle of Five Armies. The book's title character sleeps through a great battle which cost the lives of some of his companions. I suppose they could show a few flashbacks to show what happened.

I guess part of the 'problem' is that the Lord of the Rings movies were made first.

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From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy -
'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.



Avandel
Half-elven

May 19 2014, 6:07pm

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I'd go for that! [In reply to] Can't Post

ROFLOLCool


Darkstone
Immortal


May 19 2014, 6:09pm

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Really? [In reply to] Can't Post

You wouldn't mind a couple of Eowyn shower scenes in The Hobbit?

And maybe a scene of her and Arwen mudwrestling?

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Now doth Tinuviel put forth her skill and fairy-magic, and she sews Beren into this fell and makes him to the likeness of a great cat, and she teaches him how to sit and sprawl, to step and bound and trot in the semblance of a cat, till Huan's very whiskers bristled at the sight, and thereat Beren and Tinuviel laughed. Never however could Beren learn to screech or wail or to purr like any cat that ever walked, nor could Tinuviel awaken a glow in the dead eyes of the catskin -- "but we must put up with that," said she, "and thou hast the air of a very noble cat if thou but hold thy tongue." Then did they bid farewell to Huan and set out for the halls of Melko by easy journeys, for Beren was in great discomfort and heat within the fur of Oikeroi, and Tinuviel's heart became lighter awhile than it had been for long, and she stroked Beren or pulled his tail, and Beren was angry because he could not lash it in answer as fiercely as he wished.
-Book of Lost Tales II

(This post was edited by Darkstone on May 19 2014, 6:15pm)


Avandel
Half-elven

May 19 2014, 6:22pm

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Love this - and well, yeah and [In reply to] Can't Post

there are those like me *adjusts helmet* who love LOTR of course, but at the same time have any number of issues, whereas IMO have a much smaller list re the Hobbit films. Which is totally offset by the number of good things about it, including amazing performances (that include "subtlety" Evil and depth - even when it's getting kind of thick the actors do well e.g. the healing scene). Love, love the Hobbit movies whose biggest issue is they aren't long enough. There will never be enough, not for me.

But for the OP - sure, go ahead and remake the Hobbit according to canon. I guess that's what the OP wants. Or something. I'd watch. In the meantime here is re-post of a take on that kind of thing, courtesy of the Peckish Owl:
http://peckishowl.deviantart.com/...hodox-fans-387273293

PS. Not to mention to me, tho it's been a while, Gandalf came off to me a crank, and rude. Most of all he just goes off someplace. And Bilbo being conveniently knocked out, and inexplicably taking the Arkenstone. And so on.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

May 19 2014, 6:32pm

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The animated R-B version proves ... [In reply to] Can't Post

... just how bad, soulless, and stripped of all of the power and depth of Tolkien's original, a so-called faithful version can be.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire

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