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CGI environments are best in other ways too.

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CGI environments are best in other ways too. [In reply to] Can't Post

There's a lot of money invested in The Hobbit movies, and delays can cost money, and we know LOTR was delayed by floods and unseasonable snowstorms, and shots were spoiled by loud aircraft and sudden heavy rainfail, and stuntpeople hurt with broken limbs, and actors injured or almost drowned...

So one can see where one might want to do as much as one can on a nice, safe soundstage before a greenscreen where just about all the dangers and variables of location shooting and live stuntwork are absent.

Indeed, I tend to avoid films where people actually die. For example, I can't watch Twilight Zone: The Movie (1982), The Dark Knight (2008), Top Gun (1986), The Expendables 2 (2012), or The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) because I know people died making those films. (and the exact scene it happened.)

Talking about being taken out of a movie, it's hard watching the hobbits falling down the hill in the Shortcut to Mushrooms scene, or the guy getting hit with the giant grappling hook at Helm's Deep because I know those people were actually badly hurt.

I'd rather see bad cgi where everyone was safe than "enjoy" the deadly reality of a scene where, say three extras died, one had a limb amputated, and several were hospitalized with broken bones and other injuries (Noah's Ark (1928)).

Sarah Elizabeth Jones is the lastest needless casualty, killed on the set of the upcoming "Midnight Rider".

https://www.facebook.com/slatesforsarah

TL;DR: CGI is safe, location shooting is dangerous.

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(This post was edited by Darkstone on May 16 2014, 6:06pm)

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New Viggo Mortensen interview on the "mess" that was Rings The Grey Pilgrim Send a private message to The Grey Pilgrim May 14 2014, 5:05pm
    I don't see anything really bad Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 14 2014, 5:26pm
    I'm not sure he's saying stuff that some of us didn't already know... or suspect Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 14 2014, 5:32pm
        I could not agree with you any more than I do right now.// Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska May 15 2014, 9:31pm
        I appreciate your comments, Magpie.... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron May 16 2014, 3:56am
    Actually, I think Viggo is spot on here... Elwen Send a private message to Elwen May 14 2014, 5:38pm
        Ironically... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 14 2014, 5:53pm
    I will always respect Viggo as an actor... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone May 14 2014, 10:50pm
    I think it sounds worse than it really is demnation Send a private message to demnation May 14 2014, 11:13pm
    ROTK and TTT would not have been able to be Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 May 15 2014, 4:18am
        Character study... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone May 15 2014, 5:03am
            Exactly, FOTR only lays the groundwork for future character development Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 May 15 2014, 5:09am
                FotR... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone May 15 2014, 5:19am
        Although... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2014, 10:09am
            oh wow... mods way up Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 15 2014, 11:59am
        A bit unfair, I think demnation Send a private message to demnation May 15 2014, 12:50pm
        That is extremely rude. bungobaggins Send a private message to bungobaggins May 15 2014, 2:52pm
            I admire and appreciate straightforward NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 15 2014, 3:16pm
                ? Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2014, 3:18pm
                    I am 100% serious, yes. NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 15 2014, 3:22pm
        Viggo has a right to his opinion Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 15 2014, 8:17pm
            and Eastern Promises. SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC May 16 2014, 12:12am
                for some reason, Netflix doesn't have Alatriste. Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 16 2014, 12:21am
        Applause from me to Annatar and Necromancer Avandel Send a private message to Avandel May 15 2014, 9:44pm
            Thank you. NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 16 2014, 12:18pm
    Reposted from main SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC May 15 2014, 4:36am
        I like how you put it, SirD Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 15 2014, 11:57am
    Who’s Vitto Morgenstein anyway? OOoops: Book-firster here…Wrong forum Bracegirdle Send a private message to Bracegirdle May 15 2014, 1:02pm
    That's the way of the artist. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 15 2014, 1:33pm
    I partially agree with Him malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 15 2014, 2:36pm
    For the other thread... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2014, 2:37pm
        I knew that Sean Austin NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 15 2014, 3:34pm
            There are a lot of reviews around that sum up what he writes about. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2014, 3:35pm
                Thanks Arannir! NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 15 2014, 3:39pm
            Sean Astin also loved the Hobbit movies Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 May 15 2014, 3:38pm
                I know Annatar. NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 15 2014, 3:41pm
                    But since you have such a strong opinion on Viggo Mortensen's feelings... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 15 2014, 3:43pm
                        I do not think my opinion NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 15 2014, 3:49pm
    Was about to reply on the Hobbit-board. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast May 15 2014, 3:19pm
    Popcorn, anyone? BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox May 15 2014, 3:31pm
        Oh dear... NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 15 2014, 3:36pm
        My, you're catching up on all the tropes! sador Send a private message to sador May 15 2014, 3:47pm
        I was thinking wonderinglinguist Send a private message to wonderinglinguist May 15 2014, 3:53pm
        Yum! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 15 2014, 3:55pm
        Can I have some of that to take with me tonight to Godzilla? tsmith675 Send a private message to tsmith675 May 15 2014, 3:55pm
            Sure! BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox May 15 2014, 4:02pm
                You're the best!!! tsmith675 Send a private message to tsmith675 May 15 2014, 4:04pm
                    BlackFox, at your service! // BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox May 15 2014, 4:06pm
        I am quite disappointed - Viggo & Sean Astin (Absolutely agree with these posts from a prior thread) ltnjmy Send a private message to ltnjmy May 15 2014, 6:27pm
            I can see where you are coming from Itnjmy malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 15 2014, 6:52pm
            Sean Astin... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone May 15 2014, 7:07pm
                what editing choices did he disagree with? FrogmortonJustice65 Send a private message to FrogmortonJustice65 May 16 2014, 3:09am
                    He didn't like... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone May 16 2014, 3:32am
                He took his family to DOS' premiere Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 May 19 2014, 12:59am
            *In my prior post I replied to you but I now realise you were reposting to Necro's and tsmith's answers from a prior thread malickfan Send a private message to malickfan May 15 2014, 7:17pm
            i think I might be missing something. Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 May 15 2014, 9:18pm
        LOL I want some raisinets Avandel Send a private message to Avandel May 15 2014, 11:36pm
    Don't disagree on all... Dipling Send a private message to Dipling May 15 2014, 3:49pm
    CGI swampB Send a private message to swampB May 15 2014, 4:28pm
    I wouldn't read too much into this. FrogmortonJustice65 Send a private message to FrogmortonJustice65 May 15 2014, 5:00pm
    Well now that I've read it Kilidoescartwheels Send a private message to Kilidoescartwheels May 15 2014, 5:14pm
        Still, I wish VM had dialed it back Avandel Send a private message to Avandel May 16 2014, 12:00am
    I have no problem with that assessment fingolfin_nc Send a private message to fingolfin_nc May 15 2014, 5:25pm
    7 haarp Send a private message to haarp May 15 2014, 5:57pm
    A comment fro Bruce Hopkins (Gamling). Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua May 15 2014, 7:40pm
        Exactly! Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 15 2014, 8:04pm
        Thanks, Ataahua Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 15 2014, 10:05pm
        A comment from Costa Botes Kristin Thompson Send a private message to Kristin Thompson May 16 2014, 3:16am
            Thanks, Kristin. - again, it's really good to hear from people on this matter // Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 16 2014, 3:23am
        Thanks for sharing that follow up... Elwen Send a private message to Elwen May 16 2014, 3:01pm
            a thought came to me last night Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 16 2014, 3:18pm
                Not only would such a person be difficult to respect... Elwen Send a private message to Elwen May 16 2014, 5:38pm
    The title that the newspaper chose for this article should be a clue about the biased editing Elarie Send a private message to Elarie May 15 2014, 7:49pm
        Exactly Kelvarhin Send a private message to Kelvarhin May 16 2014, 1:30am
    I was looking for this Elijah Wood quote earlier... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone May 15 2014, 8:13pm
    Peter Jackson wanted CGI black riders Bishop Send a private message to Bishop May 15 2014, 9:58pm
        That's the sort of thing that I'm glad he didn't have the budget for... Elwen Send a private message to Elwen May 16 2014, 3:14pm
            Yes, completely agree with this Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 16 2014, 4:58pm
    Jackson would have to be delusional to be offended that some of his actors share the opinion of his CGI that most/many critics seem to Nevrast Send a private message to Nevrast May 16 2014, 3:06am
    Wow Escapist Send a private message to Escapist May 16 2014, 3:33am
        Agree with you 100%, Escapist. // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG May 21 2014, 12:19pm
    Viggo speaks sense....and I don't see him offending anyone? Sildarion~Valenar Send a private message to Sildarion~Valenar May 16 2014, 4:59am
        I couldn't agree more... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel May 16 2014, 6:41am
        Agreed Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 16 2014, 9:34am
        Indeed. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast May 16 2014, 10:53am
            The digital age Escapist Send a private message to Escapist May 16 2014, 11:33am
    I couldn't agree with him more. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio May 16 2014, 12:20pm
        If he had made these comments about just The Hobbit films... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone May 16 2014, 12:46pm
        You know Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 16 2014, 4:55pm
            I don't think CG is easier/cheaper than good actors Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 16 2014, 5:08pm
                Yes, I think this make sense Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 16 2014, 5:38pm
                    To be honest, if I had the capability to use CG environments... Bofur01 Send a private message to Bofur01 May 16 2014, 5:41pm
                        CGI environments are best in other ways too. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 16 2014, 5:55pm
                            I hadn't knnown that. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua May 16 2014, 9:09pm
                            Oh, I know, Darkstone... Patty Send a private message to Patty May 20 2014, 7:56pm
                                I forgot about this one... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 May 20 2014, 7:58pm
                                And Mortensen almost drowning in TTT. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 20 2014, 8:18pm
                                    Nay, nay Starling Send a private message to Starling May 21 2014, 6:07am
                                Pain is temporary... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone May 21 2014, 6:10am
        Sense Of Balance J Pierpont Flathead Send a private message to J Pierpont Flathead May 16 2014, 9:36pm
            Hmm... BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox May 16 2014, 9:47pm
                Change J Pierpont Flathead Send a private message to J Pierpont Flathead May 16 2014, 10:08pm
                    Who's to say what a "good reason" is? Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone May 16 2014, 10:24pm
                        Good Reasons J Pierpont Flathead Send a private message to J Pierpont Flathead May 16 2014, 10:36pm
                    Well... BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox May 16 2014, 10:38pm
                'Any change' is not bad Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 16 2014, 11:01pm
                    In response BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox May 17 2014, 7:58am
                        Please explain Sildarion~Valenar Send a private message to Sildarion~Valenar May 17 2014, 11:09am
                            I'm not the one you should be asking this BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox May 17 2014, 1:11pm
                                Oh sorry Sildarion~Valenar Send a private message to Sildarion~Valenar May 17 2014, 1:17pm
                            I would imagine the change... Rohirrim Rider Send a private message to Rohirrim Rider May 17 2014, 1:18pm
                                Well put! // BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox May 17 2014, 1:34pm
                            Writing 101 J Pierpont Flathead Send a private message to J Pierpont Flathead May 17 2014, 2:54pm
                            None taken shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog May 17 2014, 10:04pm
                            I assume Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode May 17 2014, 10:57pm
                            Line Change Laineth Send a private message to Laineth May 20 2014, 11:05pm
    Nothing new, Viggo! Bernhardina Send a private message to Bernhardina May 16 2014, 7:22pm
        I agree on Viggo being entitled to his opinion and some people here being really rude towards him, as I posted before. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 16 2014, 8:33pm
            Not surprisingly... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 16 2014, 9:40pm
                Not sure what exactly you mean... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 16 2014, 10:15pm
                    Yes... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 16 2014, 10:31pm
                        Sorry. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 16 2014, 11:03pm
    100% agree with Viggo Avnar Send a private message to Avnar May 17 2014, 6:50am
        But, that's not what Viggo said Altaira Send a private message to Altaira May 17 2014, 1:57pm
            Character J Pierpont Flathead Send a private message to J Pierpont Flathead May 17 2014, 2:44pm
            Very well and nicely put. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 17 2014, 3:24pm
            Thank you for straightening this out, Altaira, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen May 20 2014, 11:30am
            I love this Viggo story Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 20 2014, 1:56pm
                thanks for that // Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 20 2014, 2:24pm
                Thanks for this. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 20 2014, 2:34pm
                    It is just so much easier ... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 20 2014, 5:00pm
                        100% agreed. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 20 2014, 5:32pm
        This is where disagreements occur shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog May 17 2014, 9:58pm
            Is it really not clear to you R11 Send a private message to R11 May 18 2014, 8:37pm
            Um... Avnar Send a private message to Avnar May 18 2014, 10:49pm
    this does not bother me... Bard'sBlackArrow Send a private message to Bard'sBlackArrow May 18 2014, 6:51pm
    well... Oscarilbo Send a private message to Oscarilbo May 19 2014, 8:57pm
    Didn't Viggo also refuse appearing in The Hobbit? mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen May 20 2014, 12:18pm
        He did? Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 20 2014, 12:22pm
            It was probably so, mae govannen Send a private message to mae govannen May 20 2014, 12:36pm
            IIRC it was when a bridge movie was still on the table SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC May 20 2014, 2:01pm
                "Viggo ‘Turned Down’ Role as Aragorn? Not so fast…" Magpie Send a private message to Magpie May 20 2014, 2:23pm
                    That settles it then. He said yes, if it makes sense SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC May 20 2014, 2:40pm
    Weird. He said the exact opposite last year. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 20 2014, 8:29pm
        Viggo... NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 20 2014, 8:41pm
            So did he strangle Stuart Townsend for the ring? Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 20 2014, 8:47pm
                Now that you mention it, NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising May 20 2014, 8:53pm
    It seemed in the SEE appendices Viggo was the one who held things VeArkenstone Send a private message to VeArkenstone May 22 2014, 8:24pm
        I really don't find VM's comments ... MadgeBishop Send a private message to MadgeBishop May 23 2014, 12:50am
            I agree with you about Viggo's comments Madge ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort May 23 2014, 9:55pm
                Single biggest annoying thing about the original trilogy for me... sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio May 23 2014, 10:32pm
            I do totally agree with your comments about the Trilogy, FOTR is the best, VeArkenstone Send a private message to VeArkenstone May 27 2014, 7:58pm
    I disagree. The Foehammer Send a private message to The Foehammer May 29 2014, 12:41am
        Cadence J Pierpont Flathead Send a private message to J Pierpont Flathead May 29 2014, 1:04am
            Interesting. The Foehammer Send a private message to The Foehammer May 29 2014, 1:53am
                for better or worse depending on individual opinions ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort May 29 2014, 11:19am
        It's not the CGI per se... MadgeBishop Send a private message to MadgeBishop May 30 2014, 12:24am
            Refreshing to hear this cats16 Send a private message to cats16 May 30 2014, 12:29am
            THIS J Pierpont Flathead Send a private message to J Pierpont Flathead May 30 2014, 1:51am
            I need to go watch them all again consecutively The Foehammer Send a private message to The Foehammer May 30 2014, 4:09am

 
 
 

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