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Was Legolas with his father when he turned away from helping the dwarves as they fled Erebor?
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Naerel
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May 9 2014, 3:41pm

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Was Legolas with his father when he turned away from helping the dwarves as they fled Erebor? Can't Post

 


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


May 9 2014, 3:49pm

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I don't think so. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Naerel
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May 9 2014, 4:40pm

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Thanks. [In reply to] Can't Post

With the long lives of Elves I did not know exactly how old he was.


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Grey Havens


May 9 2014, 5:10pm

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No he told Thranuil he had to study and he stayed [In reply to] Can't Post

...and so Tauriel

No seriously, behind those helmets I can imagine both, Legolas and Tauriel


vexx801
Rivendell


May 9 2014, 5:10pm

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It depends. [In reply to] Can't Post

Some think he is 800-900 years old, others say that Legolas is 2000-3000 years old (in the films). Tolkien never gives a definite date of birth for Legolas, so it is essentially speculation, I believe. Further research required; but if Legolas is that old, and in the films, the dragon seems to have come only 60 years prior, I'd think Legolas was around at the time. But perhaps he was home holding down the fort, so to speak.


DanielLB
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May 9 2014, 5:59pm

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Yes, he is. [In reply to] Can't Post

Link.

But he just happens to be right behind Thranduil. Wink


Meneldor
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May 9 2014, 6:21pm

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So you're saying he's an epic fail photobomb. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Salmacis81
Grey Havens


May 9 2014, 6:25pm

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Is that the actual shot from the film? [In reply to] Can't Post

If so, never noticed that all of those Elves had the exact same face...


Meneldor
Tol Eressea


May 9 2014, 6:29pm

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Shrug. [In reply to] Can't Post

All those people look alike anyway. Evil


They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.


DanielLB
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May 9 2014, 7:09pm

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I can hardly see their faces. [In reply to] Can't Post

The first row all look different to me. I see no reason why extras wouldn't have been used for this scene, or at least for the first row. The two Elves standing to the right of Thranduil clearly have different faces. The second and third rows are probably CGI or the same extras in different positions.

I'd be more concerned with the two different light sources causing astray shadows. Evil


(This post was edited by DanielLB on May 9 2014, 7:15pm)


Annatar598
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May 10 2014, 2:45am

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Why does Thrandy get a ride?! [In reply to] Can't Post

Man it must be tiring to walk all the way from Mirkwood.

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Really? Alright...

Well, proud to be one I guess.


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 10 2014, 4:51am

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LOL. Poor Legolas // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Grey Havens


May 10 2014, 8:28am

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That is a big CGI army [In reply to] Can't Post

The guys on the background right behind Thranduil are completely CGI arenīt they?

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Kendalf
Rohan


May 10 2014, 11:09am

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Disappointingly, yes... [In reply to] Can't Post


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The guys on the background right behind Thranduil are completely CGI arenīt they?


Yep. Every single one of them is CGI. Yet another instance in these films where that didn't have to be the case.

"I have walked there sometimes, beyond the forest and up into the night. I have seen the world fall away and the white light of forever fill the air."


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


May 10 2014, 11:52am

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Tolkien never revealed Legolas' age [In reply to] Can't Post


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With the long lives of Elves I did not know exactly how old he was.



We know that Legolas was the oldest member of the Fellowship, but not much else. He was probably over 1000 years old; for purposes of film continuity, I believe that his year of birth is given as TA 87.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Beorn's Bees
Rivendell

May 10 2014, 3:26pm

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Gandalf? [In reply to] Can't Post

What about Gandy? I am pretty sure he is the oldest.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


May 10 2014, 4:53pm

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Yes, technically. [In reply to] Can't Post


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What about Gandy? I am pretty sure he is the oldest.



Gandalf, in his mortal body, might well be younger than Legolas.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Beorn's Bees
Rivendell

May 10 2014, 6:16pm

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Hmmmm [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


May 10 2014, 6:29pm

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Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

The Istari came to Middle-earth around TA 1000.

Movie-related sources make Legolas nearly 3000 years old.

Still, let's not quibble about a difference of a mere thousand years.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on May 10 2014, 6:30pm)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


May 11 2014, 3:59am

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Probably not [In reply to] Can't Post

Just looking at the interactions between Legolas and the company during their capture in Mirkwood, Legolas does not give any indication of knowing even Thorin, which is odd if he was with the entourage when Thranduil turned away (unless he was there and it happened to be his outing with the entourage to Erebor, and so missed the opportunity to be introduced to the ruling dwarven family).


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III, IV

"BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBofTA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies


Beorn's Bees
Rivendell

May 11 2014, 11:49am

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Ok [In reply to] Can't Post

Works for me! (:


Thranduiliel
Bree

May 13 2014, 2:18pm

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He's just out of shot but... [In reply to] Can't Post

He's actually swinging up on the reins of the Elk to mount up in front of Thranduil. The elk's head is in the way though...Wink


Thranduiliel
Bree

May 13 2014, 2:23pm

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So he can see the way ahead with his elf-eyes! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thranduil has the elk instead of armour. Thrandy has no armour. Thrandy needs no armour.

That's a thought - he's not dressed in his armour, so can we presume he had no intentions of joining in the battle? I'd love to see a big tub of popcorn resting on the elk in front of him. Wish I could do gifs!


MirielCelebel
Rivendell


May 13 2014, 3:33pm

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I think Thranduil turning away is stricly a movie addition [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't remember ever reading that Thranduil showed up when Smaug descended and turning away. The quarrel between Thorin's family and the Wood-elves went back a long time to some silly disagreement over jewels (alluded to in the EE of AUJ). If by happenstance Thranduil did show up in Tolkien's version of events, I think it is perfectly logical to assume Legolas would have been there.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

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Kangi Ska
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May 13 2014, 6:56pm

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No he was in Mirkwood hunting Orcs & Spiders, // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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