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the "gods" were behind the execution of these six films!
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 26 2014, 9:32pm

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the "gods" were behind the execution of these six films! Can't Post

i seriously believe the "gods" were behind the way these films went about being made, LOTR's coming out first so that PJ and company would have the budget and authority to do as they please with The Hobbit now its own trilogy. Also consider the actors as well, if The Hobbit had been done first its possible that the perfect sequence of events may not have worked out…Originally PJ wanted Sean Connery as Gandalf and Ian McKellan as Saruman but Connery turned the project down due to the long filming time schedule. Now, if The Hobbit had been made first its likely Sean Connery would have signed off to play Gandalf thus Ian McKellan would have not had the role and probably would have played Saruman which means there would be no Christopher Lee! Also visual effects wise, The Hobbit is so much "bolder" in terms of visuals than LOTR's, the visual effects in TH films are simply breathtaking.


The flames of war are upon you..

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SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Apr 26 2014, 9:47pm

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It is fortunate how things turned out [In reply to] Can't Post

Especially how they managed to get all of the required cast back for the Hobbit, and how they also got so many great additional actors (Martin Freeman, Ken Stott etc). Not to mention getting Howard Shore, Alan Lee and John Howe back.


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 26 2014, 9:50pm

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exactly! [In reply to] Can't Post

I doubt Martin Freeman would have been cast as Bilbo if TH was the first film in the same time frame PJ shot FOTR, it most likely would have been Ian Holm who did a amazing job as Bilbo but i prefer as it is in these films…Older Bilbo is Holm and younger Bilbo is Freeman. Although its a little shocking Shore came back with PJ firing him from King Kong, i'm glad they were able to set their differences aside.


The flames of war are upon you..

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TheRealBeren
Rivendell

Apr 26 2014, 9:55pm

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which gods? [In reply to] Can't Post

You mean the gods of the film industry, right? They're the only gods in Hollywood. PJ is only their bellboy. That makes you wonder who the anonymous and underpaid crew is.


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dormouse
Half-elven


Apr 26 2014, 10:43pm

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Er... which anonymous and underpaid crew? [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry, genuine confusion here.

I'd have said that on these films the actual crew is less anonymous than normal. I realise there of lots of them who don't feature on the background material, or who only appear in the background of the background, so to speak. But they do seem to me to go out of their way to at least talk to some of the crew and talk about what they do in much more detail than is usual. So hardly anonymous. No idea of what they're paid, but then, that's none of my business.

Or are you speaking in metaphors that I'm just too dim to follow?


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 26 2014, 10:52pm

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well without the "film industry" [In reply to] Can't Post

you would only have the LOTR's and The Hobbit animated versions. I think you should give PJ some credit, its not like they ordered PJ to direct these films. Remember, PJ worked hard to get the studios to green light LOTR''s.


The flames of war are upon you..

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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Apr 26 2014, 10:52pm

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Some might argue that Melkor was one of the gods involved... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm thinking largely of those who are frustrated or disgusted by Jackson's tendency towards excess in regards to the Hobbit films.

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Morthoron
Gondor


Apr 26 2014, 10:54pm

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Yes, Morgoth came to my mind as well.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 26 2014, 10:55pm

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so you would rather have one Hobbit film instead of three? [In reply to] Can't Post

 


The flames of war are upon you..

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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Apr 26 2014, 10:58pm

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Not necessarily. [In reply to] Can't Post

Two, tighter films might have been preferable.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Avnar
Rohan


Apr 26 2014, 11:37pm

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You can't be serious... [In reply to] Can't Post

The visual effects in the hobbit breathtaking??

The cgi in these hobbit films is some of the worst I have ever seen! I think weta have gone backwards. Just go and re-watch when the company are about to enter mirkwood. There are several shots that are so badly done it's embarrassing...and don't get me started on the orcs!

No visuals in these films are as good as the REAL new zealand that was on display in lotrs.


Snowghost77
Lorien


Apr 27 2014, 12:39am

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I definitely agree that the Lord has smiled down on this project.... [In reply to] Can't Post

As well as LOTR. After all Tolkien himself was a professed man of God.

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Bombadil
Half-elven


Apr 27 2014, 12:57am

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Bomby feels "It's All Good" [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ has,in the PAST
Been Sprinting away from the PACK
of other Directors for 15 years...

So many have been Copying & Pasting
his ideas into thiers...that it is sometimes
Hard to GIVE him all THE Credit,
He is due.

No ONE has it ALL DOWN
like
PJ...

Personally Bomby couldn't
Possibly
Predict what an Astonishing
PROCESS he has brought to
the Screen

Forever Gratefull
Bomby YouBro


Kendalf
Rohan


Apr 27 2014, 1:02am

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I'm really sorry to have to disagree :-( [In reply to] Can't Post


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i seriously believe the "gods" were behind the way these films went about being made, LOTR's coming out first so that PJ and company would have the budget and authority to do as they please with The Hobbit now its own trilogy.


I'm afraid Jackson "doing as he pleases" with this trilogy is a problem for many of us, not a blessing Unsure

I know what point you're making; that you're glad Jackson's stature as a movie-maker in the wake to LotR's success has meant he's been able to expand the scope of the tale (to your liking, I presume)...

...but, to me, his prior success appears to have made him too blasé, too flippant, too self-indulgent and I suspect in fact that, had The Hobbit been made first, we may have ended up with a more faithful and more disciplined adaptation.

But then maybe that's just me Smile

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Bombadil
Half-elven


Apr 27 2014, 1:13am

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Additionally, a Quote from PJ that has been over-looked... [In reply to] Can't Post

When the Announcement this Past week
about the Name Change...?

"Jus' Jabez & I in a DARK Cave in Wellington.."

Sure, Wets Digital is producing another
PILE of PIXELS... a Mile High down the street...

But his Principle Department Heads
Probably have a TRUE "MindMELT"
with what they know he wants...

Christian Rivers has been with him 20 years?
Dan Henna, etc...

LASTLY have you EVER heard someone
who has worked for him? say
anything Bad about this MAN?

Years from Now we will look BACK
& think
"These were the BEST of TIMES"

Maybe your granchildren will look up
WITH Awe in their eyes that YOU went along
For the Ride on PJ's RollerCoaster

xoxo Bomby


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 27 2014, 3:10am

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your posts make my day Bomby [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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tsmith675
Gondor


Apr 27 2014, 3:33am

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The worst you've ever seen? [In reply to] Can't Post

You must not watch many movies then, my friend.

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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 27 2014, 4:11am

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Well, it does feel like divinity from both sides had a hand [In reply to] Can't Post

I love, love, love that we get these films. They are the definitive quality high fantasy film series(es), and we'd have to dig pretty far back to come up with something even remotely close. It is astounding, the details and care that went into the making - the costumes, weapons, settings, languages, everything. Of course, a large part of it is that the books were such rich sources of background information, a truly world-building epic. But still, without the dedication and effort of PJ, crew, and cast, to realize those details, we would not be getting the movie ME we've come to know. That's when it's like wow, divinity had a hand in it.

But I'll admit. even as a fan, it sometimes frustrates me that while I get lost, marvel and ogle at the attention to details and the mostly fine acting, sometimes it does take me out of the moment when the "Too-much" alarm trips involuntarily in my head. Like the over-the-top Goblin town and sequence with the Goblin King. That's when I wonder, what the hell! Did PJ listen to the wrong whispers of inspiration?


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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 27 2014, 4:16am

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Ditto [In reply to] Can't Post


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You must not watch many movies then, my friend.



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bungobaggins
Lorien

Apr 27 2014, 4:23am

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Yeah...sure [In reply to] Can't Post

Millions of people dying and starving all over the world, but the "gods" see fit to bless the Hollywood bastardization of Tolkien.

Yeah, right. *rolls eyes*


Hanzkaz
Rohan

Apr 27 2014, 5:57am

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Considering the circumstances PJ and Co. did brilliantly. [In reply to] Can't Post

 We could have had one Hobbit movie and one Lord of the Rings movie. They paid a lot of attention to the look of Middle-Earth and the casting, and they clearly put a lot of thought into all aspects of the movies.

(I don't agree with quite a few of their decisions, but I doubt I could do a tenth as well as they did. The Middle-Earth of the books in my head would probably be impossible to bring to the big screen, anyway.)

After reading some of the proposed ideas of some past would-be makers of Middle-Earth movies, I'm glad PJ and Co. are in charge, just as I like what Marvel are doing with their cinematic universe.

Especially after seeing what was done to the Transformers movie franchise.

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SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Apr 27 2014, 8:07am

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Leave him be [In reply to] Can't Post

Just because you aren't happy with some of the shots doesn't mean someone can't find the films breathtaking. Think of Gollum or Smaug, there's plenty of impressive things Weta have done (many of which we won't even notice).


SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Apr 27 2014, 8:10am

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I would have to disagree [In reply to] Can't Post

I feel like the bigger problem is the studio influence on these films. WB has generally been poor at marketing the films, and we know they made the supposed 'love triangle' (I dread to think what else they did). With LOTR New Line seemed to put more trust in PJ (for example when they wanted to cut the watcher scene from FOTR).


SafeUnderHill
Rohan

Apr 27 2014, 8:17am

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Love easing your posts [In reply to] Can't Post

I have to agree. I just rewatched the first 40 minutes of AUJ and it already feels like these will become classic scenes. I just think they captured the adventurous and more whimsical nature of the book perfectly. I also greatly enjoy DOS for it's darker tone and for being more in line with LOTR. Personally, I can't wait for BOFA which should be grander and more emotional.

And to whoever posted some about this above, I think there are plenty of on location New Zealand shots in these films (a lot of which are breathtaking). Unfortunately I think most of the battle was shot during pick ups in studio.


Michelle Johnston
Rohan


Apr 27 2014, 12:14pm

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Tolkien Metaphorical Applicability Transfered to The Screen [In reply to] Can't Post

I have just finished reading Tom Shippey's "Author of the Century" and got caught up in one of his final remarks that Tolkiens great achievement is to enable us to read metaphorically. He has made fantasy applicable and it is that which brings the stories alive.

To paraphrase we may not meet Dragons in our daily lives but we are all aware of the "Dragon Sickness" and we certainly have met Sarumans.

This made me think about why despite wanting some things different I am captivated by these films.

I give you just one example, when the prim and proper bachelor sits down to eat his supper of fresh fish in his neat orderly home it echoes so many whom live on there own now in their neat orderly controlled lives. But that fatal knock on the door changes everything. These types of moments emerge over and over again right up to and including Bilbo's final line as he sees Smaug in the distance, that in the end is what makes this treatment of the Hobbit right for me.

I can talk troped action sequences/ wrong choices - moving High Fells, until the Mundo's come home but in the end this second sequence is even better at portraying the characters and developing their sense of journey and changes of direction better than the first and in that sense I agree with you.

My Dear Bilbo something is the matter with you! you are not the same hobbit that you were.

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