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HUGE Announcement from Peter Jackson's facebook page TITLE CHANGE AND DOS EE
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There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Apr 24 2014, 6:21pm

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Middle-Earth is ripe with extra 'the's [In reply to] Can't Post

THE Fellowship of THE Ring
THE Return of THE King

although in this case, The Battle Of The Five Armies makes sense with or without the 'the.'

*pauses to reflect

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"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 6:21pm

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Me too. [In reply to] Can't Post

It was a little too Katnissy.

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Apr 24 2014, 6:25pm

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Love the knee-jerk reactions... [In reply to] Can't Post

Guess what, those movie were greenlit to make money to begin with. I bet you'll love it when it passes $1b at the box office. Maybe the title change will bring in those few needed millions. Wink

Having said that, i don't believe it was purely a money grabbing decision. The title has been registered for quite a while, they were obviously toying with the idea of naming it that way since they decided to make three movies. PJ makes a good argument for the name in his post.


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Apr 24 2014, 6:25pm

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I think you've just coined a new phrase.... [In reply to] Can't Post

"It was a little too Katnissy."
LOL!

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Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 6:27pm

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Just like with "The Marriage of Figaro". [In reply to] Can't Post

The marriage was only a small part of Act 3.

Totally inappropriate title.

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(This post was edited by Darkstone on Apr 24 2014, 6:27pm)


Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 6:29pm

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Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Apr 24 2014, 6:29pm

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This is not just Bilbo's story. [In reply to] Can't Post

This is also very much Thorin's story. In the movies at least.


Imladris18
Lorien


Apr 24 2014, 6:32pm

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Exactly. [In reply to] Can't Post

TTT was much more than Orthanc's and Barad-dur's stories. It was more about the events surrounding the two towers and what they represent.

RotK was much more than Aragorn's story. It was more about the events surrounding the Return of the King.

DoS was much more than Dale's story. It was more about the events surrounding what happened in Dale.

BoFA will be much more than the story of the battle. It will be more about the events surrounding the battle.



Faleel
Rohan


Apr 24 2014, 6:33pm

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.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Which build up to the battle... hence the title.


Sunflower
Valinor

Apr 24 2014, 6:34pm

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*shrug* [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, with WB calling all the shots here (I'm sure Peter wanted TABA, regardless of what he writes) did we really expect anything different?


Let's hope there will be S8ome* room for things like, you know, character development and such. Hoping that Bilbo and Thorin's last shared scene won't be 15 seconds long and sandwiched in between epic battle sequences....


Imladris18
Lorien


Apr 24 2014, 6:35pm

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That, and everyone seems to forget: [In reply to] Can't Post

Every title is literally prefaced with "The Hobbit." Bilbo is referred to in the first noun of every single title about these movies.



(This post was edited by Imladris18 on Apr 24 2014, 6:36pm)


Old Toby
Grey Havens


Apr 24 2014, 6:35pm

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Regardless [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm still disappointed with the new title. I like the old one better.

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tsmith675
Gondor


Apr 24 2014, 6:37pm

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The entire movie is going to revolve around the battle [In reply to] Can't Post

So it fits. It's not just about the battle, but the build up, the actual battle, and the aftermath. It's just a fitting title, in my opinion.

Our destiny lies above us.


Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 6:37pm

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Can't argue with that. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Darkstone
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Apr 24 2014, 6:41pm

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But... [In reply to] Can't Post

...every title of Lord of the Rings was prefaced with "The Lord of the Rings", yet none of the titles really refered to Sauron except (arguably) TTT.

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Imladris18
Lorien


Apr 24 2014, 6:44pm

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Well, right. [In reply to] Can't Post

That further drives home my point that people are overreacting to "BoFA" not referencing Bilbo :)



zalmoxis
Bree

Apr 24 2014, 6:50pm

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Also, [In reply to] Can't Post

I suspect that the 'Back Again' part of the tale will be reduced, or omitted completely. An epilogue with Ian Holm or whatever, glued to endless battle scenes in PJ style, would appear farcical, IMO.


Imladris18
Lorien


Apr 24 2014, 6:53pm

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PJ didn't really overdo any battle in LotR. [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe parts of them are a bit OTT, but in general he seemed to do an excellent job.

I'm not sure why everyone is jumping to that conclusion.



Elessar
Valinor


Apr 24 2014, 6:54pm

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You're theory [In reply to] Can't Post

would be wrong.



Faleel
Rohan


Apr 24 2014, 6:55pm

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Because [In reply to] Can't Post

its Hobbit Jackson seems to be more far gone than LOTR Jackson.


(This post was edited by Faleel on Apr 24 2014, 6:56pm)


Elessar
Valinor


Apr 24 2014, 6:56pm

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Because [In reply to] Can't Post

its much easier for people to overreact to things.



Imladris18
Lorien


Apr 24 2014, 6:59pm

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It's almost like the source material isn't as serious as LotR is or something. [In reply to] Can't Post

 



Estel78
Tol Eressea

Apr 24 2014, 7:00pm

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Maybe PJ is not who you want him to be. [In reply to] Can't Post

If he would be strictly against something, i don't think he would let WB have their way and then sugarcoat it in a post, i really don't.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Apr 24 2014, 7:02pm)


Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 7:01pm

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I have to honestly admit, it's actually a better title. [In reply to] Can't Post

Consider this sequence from the end of “The Clouds Burst":

“The Eagles! the Eagles!” Bilbo cried, dancing and waving his arms. If the elves could not see him they could hear him. Soon they too took up the cry, and it echoed across the valley. Many wondering eyes looked up, though as yet nothing could be seen except from the southern shoulders of the Mountain.

“The Eagles!” cried Bilbo once more, but at that moment a stone hurtling from above smote heavily on his helm, and he fell with a crash and knew no more.


The screen goes black………

Non-readers will be going “Wha???? Bilbo Dies??????”

Of course that moment would be spoiled if the title was “The Hobbit: There and Back Again”.

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(This post was edited by Darkstone on Apr 24 2014, 7:03pm)


Imladris18
Lorien


Apr 24 2014, 7:04pm

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I thought you changed the words at first saying a Stone Giant hurtled a stone at Bilbo. [In reply to] Can't Post

I chuckled.

While true, the opening scene of the trilogy is old Bilbo writing the book :P


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