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HUGE Announcement from Peter Jackson's facebook page TITLE CHANGE AND DOS EE
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TheHutt
Gondor


Apr 24 2014, 4:09pm

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I suppose... [In reply to] Can't Post

...they were planning this for some time. They first pitched the idea of "Into The Fire" to check out the opinions on the Net. After the negative outcome, they selected "The Battle of Five Armies" instead.

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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Apr 24 2014, 4:26pm

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25 minutes! [In reply to] Can't Post

woot woot! more than i expected, i thought maybe around 15 minutes.

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Farficom
Rivendell


Apr 24 2014, 4:39pm

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That I'm a little shocked they changed the title this late in the game. I really thought There and Back Again was a perfect title... but in the end I will be in line early on opening day. Getting used to calling in BoFA instead of TaBA is going to be tough.


book Gandalf
Rohan


Apr 24 2014, 5:17pm

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theory [In reply to] Can't Post

theory, TORn used the 'into fire' to drum up a bit of anticipation and a few thousand extras clicks, someone on the inside knew a change was imminent but they couldn't let the cat out of the bag.

cmon own up, what exactly was registered when into fire was mooted?

i smell a cleverly leaked rumour :P

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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Apr 24 2014, 5:18pm

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Well, at least BOFA is better than "Into the Fire" [In reply to] Can't Post

I guess I can deal with that, since it's what they had thought about calling it BOFA to begin with. The main problem for me will be trying to get used to using the new acronym!Wink

Glad to hear about the 25 extra minutes of EE and the new music though. Can't complain about that.Smile

"But there’s empty cross, there’s an empty tomb
Fire and wind now sweeping in this tiny upper room
There’s a hungry world, there’s a risen King
Unlock the doors, what reason more could we ever need?
So sing with me, I dare you to
Because there’s an empty cross; there’s an empty tomb"
~Empty (Disciples)-sung by Dan Haseltine and Matt Hammitt



Elanor of Rohan
Lorien


Apr 24 2014, 5:26pm

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Very happy with the additional 25 minutes [In reply to] Can't Post

and looking forward to watching more intimate moments that DOS TE badly needed.

I was a bit shocked when I heard of the changing of the title but I agree with those who said it is a more catchy title for the general public. And it's canonWink, unlike Into the Fire.


Glorfindela
Valinor


Apr 24 2014, 5:29pm

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I much rather prefer 'There and Back Again', since it sounds as though it is far more centred around Bilbo (and Tolkien's book).

BoFA makes it sound like just another battle (an excuse for PJ to insert even more of those moments he considers 'fun', like those we saw in DoS ad nauseum). Crazy

I will certainly be happy to have 45 minutes or more in the EE for DoS. The film needs this, provided they are character moments for book canon characters, and not more 'party' moments with people chucking food around, or individuals emerging from lavatories or ninja elf comic-book moments.


(This post was edited by Glorfindela on Apr 24 2014, 5:34pm)


TheHutt
Gondor


Apr 24 2014, 5:31pm

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Well, at least BOFA is better than "Into the Fire"


Well, that's the psychology of that, isn't it? First to pitch a very bad title and than a slightly better one, so everyone is relieved it's not THAT title. :)

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(This post was edited by TheHutt on Apr 24 2014, 5:32pm)


Dcole4
Rohan

Apr 24 2014, 5:36pm

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Haha, that could very well be the case. [In reply to] Can't Post

Movie studios are always cautious not to disturb the fans. I wouldn't be surprised if "Into the Fire" was released publicly to create a sigh of relief when "Battle of the Five Armies" was settled on.


Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 5:37pm

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At least it's not "Beauty and the Dwarf". [In reply to] Can't Post

Though more Tolkien songs would be appreciated.

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Morok Cloudkeeper
Rohan


Apr 24 2014, 5:44pm

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It seems that people don't understand what "There and Back again" means [In reply to] Can't Post

Biblo and Co. went on this adventure(there) and the last film shows the main conflict and their return journey(back again). Where is the problem? How could this title not be appropriate?

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tsmith675
Gondor


Apr 24 2014, 5:57pm

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There and Back Again was a good title... [In reply to] Can't Post

But it never made sense for the third film, as much as everyone wants to say it did, it didn't. BoFA makes more sense.

The Hobbit: There and Back Again fits the entire trilogy, rather than one film.

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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Apr 24 2014, 6:01pm

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"But there’s empty cross, there’s an empty tomb
Fire and wind now sweeping in this tiny upper room
There’s a hungry world, there’s a risen King
Unlock the doors, what reason more could we ever need?
So sing with me, I dare you to
Because there’s an empty cross; there’s an empty tomb"
~Empty (Disciples)-sung by Dan Haseltine and Matt Hammitt



jtarkey
Rohan


Apr 24 2014, 6:09pm

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What horrible news this is [In reply to] Can't Post

A perfect title thrown out the window in order to attract the masses with promises of overblown action.

That's why it was changed. Make no mistake.

They should have just called it "The Hobbit: One last attempt to make more money by appealing to the lowest common denominator".

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"

^^^ That unnecessary apostrophe and "e" is due to the leaf itself. And this part of the signature was documented quite some time after the effect had worn off.


tsmith675
Gondor


Apr 24 2014, 6:11pm

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BoFA makes more sense. [In reply to] Can't Post

Make no mistake.

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Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 6:14pm

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Art or cash. [In reply to] Can't Post

We know which one Tolkien would have chosen.

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Imladris18
Lorien


Apr 24 2014, 6:14pm

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Nope, you're the lowest common denominator because you like excitement in your movies. [In reply to] Can't Post

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Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 6:16pm

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That I am. [In reply to] Can't Post

I hate boring movies. Go fig.

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Imladris18
Lorien


Apr 24 2014, 6:16pm

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Why not both? [In reply to] Can't Post

 



Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 6:17pm

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jtarkey
Rohan


Apr 24 2014, 6:17pm

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It sounds like a title a 13 year old would come up with [In reply to] Can't Post

It's fine for a chapter in a book, but calling the film that just rings false to me.

Sorry

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"

^^^ That unnecessary apostrophe and "e" is due to the leaf itself. And this part of the signature was documented quite some time after the effect had worn off.


Azimuth
The Shire

Apr 24 2014, 6:17pm

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I was going to write the same Smile

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Well, at least BOFA is better than "Into the Fire"

Well, that's the psychology of that, isn't it? First to pitch a very bad title and than a slightly better one, so everyone is relieved it's not THAT title. :)

I prefer new title, it seemed inappropriate to call 1/3 of the story by the title of a whole story. Now it fits, TABA will be for the whole Hobbit trilogy.

BTW I was always confused with these acronyms, I read TABA as The Battle of 5 Armies, and get used to call the 3rd film like that while speaking and thinking. I remembered about There and Back Again only when I run into BOFA (like "oh yes, this is the acronym for the army thing, not TABA!"). I hope it will bring more people to the cinemas, to prove WB and other studios that it is worth to make films about Middle Earth.

(This post was edited by Azimuth on Apr 24 2014, 6:24pm)


tsmith675
Gondor


Apr 24 2014, 6:18pm

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Well Tolkien came up with it... [In reply to] Can't Post

And he was older than 13, I believe.

There and Back Again never made sense for a third film.

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Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 24 2014, 6:20pm

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Like "The Reason I Jump"? [In reply to] Can't Post

Good title, good book, by a 13 year old.

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Old Toby
Grey Havens


Apr 24 2014, 6:20pm

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This is losing sight of the forest for the trees IMO [In reply to] Can't Post

This is focusing on one element in Bilbo's story. And this is Bilbo's story...at least according to Tolkien. Now I realize these films are according to PJ, and I'm fine with the films. but the title of the last film should reflect the entire journey. I think There and Back Again is a perfect title for the last film, bringing a sense of completeness. The new title sounds like just another big special effects hoopla. It would be like calling the Two Towers The Battle of Helm's Deep or the Return of the King The Battle of the Pelennor Fields. I realize this is probably a marketing scheme, but I for one am extremely disappointed. Frown

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