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The Thranduil Appreciation Thread Part III
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Apr 22 2014, 2:19pm

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     His Royal Fabulousness does not follow trends... [In reply to]  

He sets them! So if he wants to wear that outfit, I'm sure he will whether it's fashionable or not.Cool

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it may be getting a little ratty by the time December rolls around for BoFA. But well, he could have had it remade even if the one we saw had its day, unless it's no longer fashionable togs?


Yes, our fixation on the EE extras is starting to borderline on dragon sickness! A strain of madness runs deep in this fandom.Crazy

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LOL... we're so hung up on Extras in the EE like a bad addiction, or is it an itch we can't properly scratch. Crazy


*cricket, cricket*

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... pretty quiet around here these days, isn't it?


"But there’s empty cross, there’s an empty tomb
Fire and wind now sweeping in this tiny upper room
There’s a hungry world, there’s a risen King
Unlock the doors, what reason more could we ever need?
So sing with me, I dare you to
Because there’s an empty cross; there’s an empty tomb"
~Empty (Disciples)-sung by Dan Haseltine and Matt Hammitt



Kerewyn
Rohan


Apr 23 2014, 3:38am

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     I loe that Erebor outfit [In reply to]  

Ooh, thanks for posting that photo! While you've been singing about bling, I've been checking out the threads - I love fabrics (and fashion). Look at that lacy filigree – I wondered if it was meant to be evocative of cobweb? Not that that spiders are flavour of the month in Mirkwood, but going back in time to that prologue setting, when they'd not become the menace they are now, perhaps it was a homage to these creatures of the forest. But yes (lol) I am clearly obsessing about detail too.

Anyway, I decided to turn to my trusty Chronicle book, to see if there was anything about this garment. And lo - this, from costume designer Bob Buck:

“Thranduil needed a costume for his visit to Erebor and Philipa Boyens left us with the words starlight and moonlight to consider. To me that suggests a pewter silver shimmer or perhaps some slightly grey-mauve tones, but overall, a coolness, which is Thranduil through and through. I wanted to achieve an iridescent quality in the garment and to continue those long, lean lines of his hair down this costume so that hair and clothing became almost one - icy, simple and iconic. He has long lines that accentuate his leanness, tapering to points in his sleeves , collars and shoulders.

The crown that had been made was very spiky and I wanted to ensure that the feeling of sharpness carried through into the costume as well. That barbed beauty is such a part of Thranduil’s character.

The colour and texture of the costume were evocative of silver birch, but the overall effect we were looking for was one of coldness, of winter. Other scenes in which we saw Thranduil in Mirkwood had an autumnal palette, but this was a different time and, in my mind, a different season.

We found a fabric that had a certain intertwining quality. Mirkwood is a dense, bewildering and unforgiving place, full of twisting vines and tangled branches, with thorny organic forms. Combined with elegant brocade fabrics, that we cut up and put back together, this felt very appropriate to Thranduil. Breaking them up and recombining them made them feel more abstract, angular and organic, almost like bark. We took his robes completely to the ground because he is a king and these are his lordly garments. Given he is paying an official state visit to Erebor when we see him in this costume, I think he would be in his full regalia.”

Wow.

'O' is very useful. You use it when you say... "Oscar's only ostrich oiled an orange owl today." (Dr Seuss)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 23 2014, 9:48am

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     No, you're right. He does not. [In reply to]  

His fabulousness is royally unbound by convention. Whatever he wears is FAB, whatever the age Cool


(source)



Only elvish medicine will do now. Gather some athelas and summon a healer. A male one please!

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Yes, our fixation on the EE extras is starting to borderline on dragon sickness! A strain of madness runs deep in this fandom.



Well, at least they're rhyming with the twinkling stars.

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*cricket, cricket*






Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 23 2014, 10:05am

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     Kerewyn, you're a star! [In reply to]  

Wow, thanks for typing it out!

So the Erebor outfit is Thranduil's state visit royal regalia. Very fitting. I like the thinking that went into its design. A mix of starlight, abstract organic thorniness for the barbed beauty, icy, simple and yet iconic. Goes with everything else besides his hair - his looks, personality, and that sword!

I was looking for a fuller version of that pic for you, Kerewyn, where we see his torso as well. I remember glimpsing a sash/belt thing on his waist. This is the best I could locate now. Still beautiful and with a fan enhanced background to boot. It's not a full-length pic though. Wonder if it's out there somewhere... And of course, I can't help staring at the sword and admiring the runes that they filigreed out of the blade. Love that you can actually see through the sword in places. Precious! (So glad I'm not the only obsessing around here )


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



vanima ephel
Rivendell


Apr 23 2014, 11:35pm

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     I have some catching up to do [In reply to]  

But first I really need to finish going through all of the "Laws and Customs."

(I'm afraid I really am more of a lurker, by nature. :~/ It doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. I'll be back. /fair warning )

"I dissent, even at the risk of being held incorrect or not sober."


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 24 2014, 1:17am

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     Addendum (since we're on state visits to Erebor) [In reply to]  


It was like a silent movie and I know it's been gushed and discussed before, but I love the King's 2 epic head tilts in the AUJ prologue... ... No dialogue necessary!

Oooh... and here's a HD vid of the extended scene of Thranduil in Erebor. The regalia in action looks so fab. The King is of course magnificent. He's there paying respect after all. I particularly like the expressions he goes through when the chest was presented. You see how he was attracted immediately, those gorgeous peepers subtly lowering and then coming back up as he asserts composure, and then the careful focus as he approached the chest... ... still no dialogue necessary Cool (would have been epic to hear some exchange between Thranduil and Thror or Thrain or even Thorin though)


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Apr 24 2014, 1:27am)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 24 2014, 1:30am

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     Bring it! [In reply to]  



Yay, you're back! Let's get some geek on, anytime you're ready (insert nerd icon here)
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(and I'm supposed to be the lurky one...)


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Apr 24 2014, 1:41am)


Kerewyn
Rohan


Apr 24 2014, 7:54am

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     The sword [In reply to]  

No problem, Smile Am glad I can contribute in some way, since I don't have a depth of Tolkien and reading. (am so enjoying learning from you guys) I find myself more studying how these movies were made, the artistry that's gone into them, and the Chronicles are like my textbooks. It should be a whole genre in itself - the art of Middle Earth! Can I get a qualification in that?

Thanks for the video clip - I was just thinking I must get the video out and maybe even test my screen-capping skills.
Oh - and that fan art of Thranduil in contemporary clothing?! *jaw drops open* I can't stop ... looking at this.... HeartShockedHeart

Also, I used to think I was the only one who obsessed about the slightest subtle nuance of a look or indeed head tilt in my favourite characters. I am in good company here then.Wink


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And of course, I can't help staring at the sword and
admiring the runes that they filigreed out of the blade. Love that you can
actually see through the sword in places. Precious! (So glad I'm not the only
obsessing around here )




I hadn't forgotten this. Though that image you'd posted does show it up close, here it is from the book, along with an Alan Lee sketch of the staff.


In case you are curious about the text there, it says:
"As with everything to do with Thranduil, the design of his staff included thorn and stag-horn elements. Compared to the imagery in Rivendell. there was more vigour in the Woodland Realm, with shapes that were stronger and slightly more ambiguous. It was beautiful, Elven design, but with an element of threat to it as well." (Alan Lee)

Here's an early concept sketch from Weta that I also like. Oh the grandeur! The style of the crown reminds of a Roman emperor's headwear.



'O' is very useful. You use it when you say... "Oscar's only ostrich oiled an orange owl today." (Dr Seuss)

(This post was edited by Kerewyn on Apr 24 2014, 7:56am)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 24 2014, 9:57am

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     Comtempory Thranduil... and incognito? (Shocking) [In reply to]  

I know right? I've seen a few fanart of him in earth fashion but that one really encapsulates the essence of Thranduil so well. And its simplicity adds to its genius!
(The next best one that I think is out there is this one. Nice too, but just not quite so enthralling as that one)

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Oh - and that fan art of Thranduil in contemporary clothing?! *jaw drops open* I can't stop ... looking at this.... HeartShockedHeart



And while I was wading through "Thranduil" images, this popped up. After studying it, I can draw no other conclusion but that it's Thranduil incognito...Wink

(source)

So unbelievably uncharacteristic of the Elvenking, but I submit circumstantial evidence in support of the notion it is the fabulous one trying to put one past the fans.



You should be awarded a Masters for that! And when you do your doctorate, all the ME resources that PJ, cast and the production team have should be open access to you. I'd like to apply for the position of your research assistant please. Smile

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I find myself more studying how these movies were made, the artistry that's gone into them, and the Chronicles are like my textbooks. It should be a whole genre in itself - the art of Middle Earth! Can I get a qualification in that?



Thank you! I am so tempted to get my own copies of the books... but they cost a pretty penny from the local bookstores, at least 50% on the price from the source. But if I order from the source, there's shipping. ARGH! I have to plan carefully for this. (PLUS my old rickety bookshelf is on its last leg. I don't want to send it to its grave any earlier than I have to)

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I hadn't forgotten this. Though that image you'd posted does show it up close, here it is from the book, along with an Alan Lee sketch of the staff.




OOOH. That is nice! Thranduil would look a great deal more militant and imperious... conquerous? Perhaps that's why they didn't go with it in the end? But I can see this working as stylings for Oropher.

And is it just me, or does the face in the sketch look like its based on dear Mr Pace?

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Here's an early concept sketch from Weta that I also like. Oh the grandeur! The style of the crown reminds of a Roman emperor's headwear.







Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Apr 24 2014, 10:03am)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 24 2014, 10:10am

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     In celebration of the impending end of week... some comics featuring Thranduil vs that insolent trespassing dwarf [In reply to]  

Staring match

Waiting


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Apr 24 2014, 10:11am)


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Apr 24 2014, 4:35pm

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     Lol! [In reply to]  

Those are cute!Heart

I wish I could find more Thranduil stuff to share, but I'm afraid my limited resources have run dry at the moment.Unsure

"But there’s empty cross, there’s an empty tomb
Fire and wind now sweeping in this tiny upper room
There’s a hungry world, there’s a risen King
Unlock the doors, what reason more could we ever need?
So sing with me, I dare you to
Because there’s an empty cross; there’s an empty tomb"
~Empty (Disciples)-sung by Dan Haseltine and Matt Hammitt



Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Apr 24 2014, 5:01pm

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     Exactly what I was thinking [In reply to]  

The early, more militant/conquerous designs are nice and all, but I much prefer the crown/staff, etc, designs that ended up in the movie, as they just scream "Thranduil" to me. But I totally agree that the early designs would have been perfect for Oropher had he made an appearance. It make perfect sense too, that a father and son's designs would be similar in theme, but still unique to the individual.

Hey, was Oropher in the Silmarillion? If he was, then maybe they can keep those designs in mind if they ever get the rights to a Sil movie or TV mini-series. (she said hopefullyAngelic)

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OOOH. That is nice! Thranduil would look a great deal more militant and imperious... conquerous? Perhaps that's why they didn't go with it in the end? But I can see this working as stylings for Oropher.


Yes, I think they are. IIRC, Wikipedia's Hobbit page said that PJ has liked LP ever since seeing him in The Fall and that he was at the top of the list to play Thranduil. I figure the concept artists probably like to draw things so that they look as close to the finished product as possible, and that would include drawing the actor who is playing the character to be sure that what they design suits the frame of the actual person, not just the character they imagine in their heads.

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And is it just me, or does the face in the sketch look like its based on dear Mr Pace?


"But there’s empty cross, there’s an empty tomb
Fire and wind now sweeping in this tiny upper room
There’s a hungry world, there’s a risen King
Unlock the doors, what reason more could we ever need?
So sing with me, I dare you to
Because there’s an empty cross; there’s an empty tomb"
~Empty (Disciples)-sung by Dan Haseltine and Matt Hammitt



Nimloth
Lorien


Apr 25 2014, 3:49am

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     Very funny! [In reply to]  

Where do you find these things? Cool


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 25 2014, 7:38am

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     I see those and I had to laugh, and was sure it'd be appreciated here too [In reply to]  

Aww... It's ok. we should be seeing new stuff with the PJ announcement out now, soonish eh? Can't wait!

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I wish I could find more Thranduil stuff to share, but I'm afraid my limited resources have run dry at the moment.




Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 25 2014, 7:44am

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     Oropher [In reply to]  

He wasn't in the Silm as a proper character, if memory serves. He mostly lived in the appendices and footnotes of various books, like Thranduil. But there is a mention of him in the Unfinished Tales, together with Thranduil, where the story of Galadriel and Celeborn was described.


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 25 2014, 7:47am

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     Out in the far side beyond the Wild [In reply to]  

Where no one should go Tongue I truly don't understand why I keep doing it. My sanity is stake and I am scared for life... but I guess these little gems make it all right, for a little bit.


Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 25 2014, 8:26am

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     Thranduil's Armour: Concept Art Vs What We Got [In reply to]  

Probably Kerewyn can confirm, but this is apparently a concept art for the King's armour. Quite thematic to the armour of the guards in the throne room and the border patrol. More practical too, especially with the helmet. But it seems a bit too... clunky?

What do you think of it, as compared to this? The wearer notwithstanding of course.



Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Apr 25 2014, 8:38pm

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     Whoa [In reply to]  

Interesting concept, but definitely too clunky. It looks like he's be able to take all of two steps before falling over, either from the weight of it or from tripping over the cloak.Crazy That would not be fabulous at all. I'm not fond of the helmet either.

I much prefer the current design. It looks like something he can actually fight (and walk) in, unlike the other one.

Hey, speaking of helmets...Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the major characters in both LOTR or TH never wear a helmet into battle? Sure, there are exceptions to that rule, like Theoden, Eomer, Eowyn, and both Merry and Pippin at certain times. But other than them, I can think of a lot of important characters that don't wear a helmet even when they really should for the sake of their health. Just off the top of my head, in LOTR there's Aragorn, Legolas, Gandalf, Haldir, Elrond, Gil-galad (not that a helmet would have made much difference for him, poor guy). And in TH there's, oh I don't know...all 13 dwarves!, Bilbo, Legolas (again), Tauriel, Bard may wear a helmet during Bo5a but then he may not, and I doubt that if/when we see Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf, Radagast, and Saruman in action again that any of them will wear helmets, and now we've got Thranduil to add to the list too. I mean, haven't any of them seen those "This is your brain without a helmet" posters?!Tongue Seriously. Of course we know that the real reason Thranduil doesn't wear a helmet is because no one with hair that shiny and gorgeous would want to cover it up, much less get helmet hairWink. But the rest of them don't have an excuse.

"But there’s empty cross, there’s an empty tomb
Fire and wind now sweeping in this tiny upper room
There’s a hungry world, there’s a risen King
Unlock the doors, what reason more could we ever need?
So sing with me, I dare you to
Because there’s an empty cross; there’s an empty tomb"
~Empty (Disciples)-sung by Dan Haseltine and Matt Hammitt



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 26 2014, 8:38am

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     Of Elvish Armour and Helm a.k.a. dear leaders' safety is non sequitur? [In reply to]  

Too right!

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That would not be fabulous at all. I'm not fond of the helmet either.



The throneroom royal/honour guard's concept was pretty nifty though, and the helmet add the ominous accent when Thranduil decides to menace whoever's got his audience. I don't know why, but I like the idea of the covered faces, even though it's quite unelvish. Almost like something you'd see in Mordor fashion or even Dol Guldur than an elven realm. But it fits the times, and reflect Thranduil's darker and seemingly contrarian thinking of a character who could go either way. definitely get the Mirkwood Elves=More dangerous vibe!

Actually, remove this helmet and you pretty much have the foundation of that concept art picture, except that picture, as we've agreed, just doesn't have quite the wow factor of the armour we've got (or is my judgment being clouded by Thranduil being in it? Laugh ).


The ceremonious nature of the royal guard armour is very much in contrast to the border guards. Again, there's a themetic look, but you can see these guys' armour is much more functional...



One interesting point of reference for the leader's guard when outdoors... look! Helmets!
Armour of Elrond's hunting party. Still got that shiny element you'd expect of Elves


Armour of Thranduil's contingent on his state visit to Erebor (but the honour guards do seem to be among the entourage. The 4 elves with Thranduil in the Erebor scene seemed to be wearing the honour guard armour, just no helm.)


... another look, sans helms (Slight OT: oooh... lookie those swords! Wicked!). It seems more... organic? And could serve somewhat as camoflage in a woodsy setting. But I'm glad to see Mirkwood's been doing right by defence spending. Thranduil certainly learnt that lesson that cost the troops much more lives than they would have suffered just cos of inappropriate gear for the Last Alliance.



So evidence suggests leaders are aware of the importance of keeping the soldier's head on his shoulders, and preferably in functioning condition. But nope, the leaders themselves obviously need to show their faces, or hair, and be a beacon to the troops. Nevermind putting a great big "Shoot here!" to enemy long-range weapons and risking troop morale and the gameplan.



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Hey, speaking of helmets...Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the major characters in both LOTR or TH never wear a helmet into battle? Sure, there are exceptions to that rule, like Theoden, Eomer, Eowyn, and both Merry and Pippin at certain times. But other than them, I can think of a lot of important characters that don't wear a helmet even when they really should for the sake of their health. Just off the top of my head, in LOTR there's Aragorn, Legolas, Gandalf, Haldir, Elrond, Gil-galad (not that a helmet would have made much difference for him, poor guy). And in TH there's, oh I don't know...all 13 dwarves!, Bilbo, Legolas (again), Tauriel, Bard may wear a helmet during Bo5a but then he may not, and I doubt that if/when we see Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf, Radagast, and Saruman in action again that any of them will wear helmets, and now we've got Thranduil to add to the list too. I mean, haven't any of them seen those "This is your brain without a helmet" posters?!Tongue



Exactly. How can any Mirkwood soldier not want to be reminded of the hair-glory and swashbuckling cool the King struts? To the end of the world! Or maybe just into Erebor for now. Tongue


Plus it may serve the purpose of striking fear into the enemy to realize the legendary warrior is in the fray. (Damn: BOFA can't get here fast enough!)

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Seriously. Of course we know that the real reason Thranduil doesn't wear a helmet is because no one with hair that shiny and gorgeous would want to cover it up, much less get helmet hairWink. But the rest of them don't have an excuse.







Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



(This post was edited by Lurker in the Mirk on Apr 26 2014, 8:39am)


Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 26 2014, 8:42am

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     Is that crown we've not seem for the Feast of starlight? [In reply to]  

So it seems like the feast was filmed. Could this be part of the King's costume for presiding over proceedings for the festival?



Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor


Apr 27 2014, 7:31am

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     Canon-considerate captions.. funny too [In reply to]  

Can you imagine Thranduil being this mild?Tongue




Belligerence, Mirkwood style Heart




Fan of both books and movies. Oh, and it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment.

Thranduil Appreciation: I, II, III



vanima ephel
Rivendell


Apr 27 2014, 8:09am

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     It's all about the look [In reply to]  

Since I don't seem to be making any headway on my "Laws and Customs" analysis (which started out as a search for reasons Tauriel would be an appropriate Captain of the Guard - or something along those lines - but has morphed into working out my personal head canon for Thranduil's Crazy Face moment), I might as well just jump back in...


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"Is that crown we've not seen for the Feast of starlight?"

I would really love it if that turned out to be the case. I'd also like to see the complete outfit, the (outdoor?) throne, and maybe some of the ceremony he uses for a starlight festival. (I don't think that's asking too much.
Tongue )

RE: All those Helmets (and that hair)

Most of them do seem to be primarily for pageantry, but they also look like they'd make good weapons in a pinch - all those pointy bits and possibly sharp edges. Wink Elven leaders do tend to prefer circlets to sturdy helmets, don't they? And their particular helmets might mark them as The Leader, but the filmmakers would probably (and I would definitely) rather those beautiful cheekbones be on display.

And, yeah, everything about Thranduil is recognizable, he might as well use it all to intimidate and inspire, as appropriate.

RE: Weta books

I only just got my hands on "The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey Chronicles: Art and Design." (I found it dirt cheap at the local B&N,) SO gorgeous! And I was looking online for the Desolation of Smaug equivalent when I noticed that there's also a Chronicles II for Unexpected Journey: Creatures & Characters. So now, of course, I'm dying for a DoS:C&C, but if they keep to the same release schedule AUJ had, it'll be another year before it's available. Frown

"I dissent, even at the risk of being held incorrect or not sober."


vanima ephel
Rivendell


Apr 27 2014, 8:16am

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     Love that first one! [In reply to]  

Re-imaginings can be so confusing. Laugh

"I dissent, even at the risk of being held incorrect or not sober."


Kerewyn
Rohan


Apr 27 2014, 10:35am

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     Concept art for the King's armour [In reply to]  

According to my 'text book', that is in fact concept art for the Elven Palace Guard. As designer Nick Keller says: "We arrived at something quite sinister and statuesque for the Elven palace guards.... I also quite liked the idea of partial, rather than full, helmets - like skull caps or masks, with veils that hid the face. They evoked a predatory bird-like quality."

And on the full masked pic you posted: "Until now Elves have always been friendly, but these guys are indifferent and superior. They're dangerous, so masking them makes them unreadable and more imposing."



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Hey, speaking of helmets...Is it just me, or does it seem like a lot of the major characters in both LOTR or TH never wear a helmet into battle? Sure, there are exceptions to that rule, like Theoden, Eomer, Eowyn, and both Merry and Pippin at certain times. But other than them, I can think of a lot of important characters that don't wear a helmet even when they really should for the sake of their health.


I remember when this came up during LOTR discussion. Why is Aragorn not helmeted? And somewhere, I'm sure I recall PJ's answer: yes they should be, but the audience needs to instantly recognise their heroes, read the expression on their face etc. So, a departure from reality for the sake of movie-making. But it fits in too with what you say - "the leaders themselves obviously need to show their faces, or hair, and be a beacon to the troops."


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Thank you! I am so tempted to get my own copies of the books... but they cost a pretty penny from the local bookstores, at least 50% on the price from the source. But if I order from the source, there's shipping


Yep, they are heavy. I'm going to weigh one right now on my kitchen scales.......... ok, 3 1/4 pounds, or almost 1.5 kilograms. Wow, 50% mark-up huh? Welcome to my world! (buying pretty much anything in Australia is an expensive exercise. Our books are generally very costy here, compared with the US. But then if we buy from Amazon, we're stung with postage that can be greater than the price of the item!)


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And is it just me, or does the face in the sketch look like its based on dear Mr Pace?

Aha! Yes, I heard he did a fair bit of hiking while in NZ.

'O' is very useful. You use it when you say... "Oscar's only ostrich oiled an orange owl today." (Dr Seuss)

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I only just got my hands on "The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey Chronicles: Art and Design." (I found it dirt cheap at the local B&N,) SO gorgeous! And I was looking online for the Desolation of Smaug equivalent when I noticed that there's also a Chronicles II for Unexpected Journey: Creatures & Characters. So now, of course, I'm dying for a DoS:C&C, but if they keep to the same release schedule AUJ had, it'll be another year before it's available.


The second book you mention, Creatures and Characters, does not include concept art and drawings. It is photographic only, and I feel it is a companion to the Art & Design book - but if you're like me and have utterly digested the AUJ DvD appendices, there's nothing new you won't already have seen. But I do really like it as a coffee table book and the gorgeous photos, and of course the quotes from designers and crew.

My favourite is Chronicles III: The Desolation of Smaug, Art & Design. I have only just started reading it cover to cover (having already leapt ahead to indulge in the Mirkwood design first.) And I am looking forward to the design of Laketown. The book's red cover has a texture that is evocative of dragon skin.

There are due to be five books all up - the next one apparently deals entirely with the creation of Smaug. I hope there'll be a final Art & Design for TABA - I imagine there'll be a lot of weaponry.

'O' is very useful. You use it when you say... "Oscar's only ostrich oiled an orange owl today." (Dr Seuss)

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