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jtarkey
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Apr 18 2014, 9:04am
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Does it bother anyone else...
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That PJ's daughter says "here you are" to Thorin In the prologue with a seemingly Midwestern American accent in the prologue?
I don't know why, but it really bothers me. Thoughts...
That is all.
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Chancewind
Bree
Apr 18 2014, 9:26am
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an English west-country accent. It was way overdone, but that's what it was.
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Apr 18 2014, 9:48am
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people had the same complaint about Sean Astin's accent for Sam (which I believe was also supposed to be west-country). I think it's one that has more similar sounds to some American accents than most British accents do but that we don't hear much over here, so it's easy to misidentify.
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Apr 18 2014, 1:00pm
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Did it bother you that it was American? Because trust me, that wasn't nearly as thick as many Midwestern/Western accents I've heard (being American myself).
I have never had a problem with Sean Astin's accent. This is probably due to me being an American myself, and it may sound more extreme to people who are used to the British accent. Not sure what you meant by the term "West Country" (are you talking English or American)? To me, Astin has a very light accent, not what I'd call the classic Western-American.
Just my 2 cents 
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Darkstone
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Apr 18 2014, 1:08pm
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No more than it bothers me that they're speaking English thousands of years before Chaucer.
Anyway, as long as their accents don't sound like "Honey Boo Boo: The Movie", I'm good.
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book Gandalf
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Apr 18 2014, 1:16pm
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she definitely doing a somerset/dorset accent on this line, but not cornish! which is also in the west country. its good enough, but the line before is the shocker 'watch it' she says with a very strong 'T', which is actually more welsh than the soft 'Ts' of the west country. so i think its abit of a mash up of two very different accents, which is a shame.
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dormouse
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Apr 18 2014, 1:36pm
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..why should it? I hadn't noticed her sounding American, but if she did, it's over so quickly.
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Ham_Sammy
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Apr 18 2014, 1:42pm
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Maybe because it was a one liner basically so I wasn't put off by it. I was indeed more put off by Astin's accent which I found really distracting.
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Thranderz
Rohan
Apr 18 2014, 2:17pm
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Being English Sean Astin's accent can be a bit dodgy, but I'm used to it now and I've grown to love it. 
On another note! In the scene with Thranduil and Tauriel, EL sounds very american when she says "I do not think...". That puts me off every time. 
Seriously, check it out!
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Ham_Sammy
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Apr 18 2014, 2:26pm
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I'll have to look for that one
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And yeah I meant to say I love Astin in the role of Sam and I wouldn't have it any other way. I thought he did a terrific job and I'm glad he was cast in the role. His accent does bother me a bit (maybe because I'm American and it seems like he's "trying" to do the accent to much) but overall I loved and adored him in the role.
I'll look for the EL one. Again I think for me if it's a one off phrase I tend not to notice as much as if it's prolonged.
There are times when I have noticed a change even though it was brief. For instance, in Fargo this last week at the start in a couple of scenes Martin Freeman to me clearly "dropped" the accent very subtly in a couple of scenes very briefly. I did notice that probably because though Im more familiar with the mid west accent having good friends from Bemidji and also because the accent itself was so pronounced. i think thus if we have an ear for something we tend to hear it vs if we don't.
I will definitely look for EL's though to see.
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wonderinglinguist
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Apr 18 2014, 2:54pm
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EL's accent is pretty light throughout the film, but there were a few lines that sounded particularly American/Canadian to me. She still sounds...cultured?.. though, so it wasn't jarring, but as something of a linguist I found it quite noticeable.
I also noticed Katie Jackson's accent seemed a tiny bit off, but it's over so quickly I didn't give it much thought.
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SafeUnderHill
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Apr 18 2014, 2:55pm
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As a Brit, I thought the accent works very well in the films. It's only after seeing the films and seeing interviews of Sean and Elijah that I was shocked to hear their true American accents.
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NecromancerRising
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Apr 18 2014, 3:10pm
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that I immediately stepped out of the theatre.It ruined my cinema experience irrepairably.What a shame.
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shadowdog
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Apr 18 2014, 4:40pm
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Now tell us how you really felt. LOL
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NecromancerRising
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Apr 18 2014, 4:49pm
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You are right.It did not bother me at all.I did not even notice it.The scene lasted for about 2 seconds for crying out loud
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Chancewind
Bree
Apr 18 2014, 5:46pm
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That it isn't a somerset accent either; the vowels were just too elongated. Though that could have just been the over-the-topness of it. Dorset seems a good fit, could be. I re-watched the scene and you're spot on about the "Watch it!" line: it did have a very South-Wales inflection. Personally I'd hazard that was coincidence, however.
she definitely doing a somerset/dorset accent on this line, but not cornish! which is also in the west country. its good enough, but the line before is the shocker 'watch it' she says with a very strong 'T', which is actually more welsh than the soft 'Ts' of the west country. so i think its abit of a mash up of two very different accents, which is a shame.
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sycorax82
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Apr 18 2014, 5:49pm
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I thought it was obviously a British west country accent
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She sounds (and looks!) more like a Hobbit in that scene. I hope Katie wouldn't find that an insult...:p but it's true! Hopefully we will see her again in TABA.
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Avandel
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Apr 18 2014, 6:49pm
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Didn't notice, but I don't have an ear for language or music, unless it's really bad. Like the accents that come and go in Kevin Costner's Robin Hood, for example (a movie I enjoy anyway, in a nothing-else-to watch kind of way. Alan Rickman makes it worthwhile).
Did notice as a waitress she looked properly disheveled and in a hurry, I know what that feels like. Did notice Thorin saying thank you. Did notice Gandalf's fingernails are dirty and cracked, a little detail I find fascinating (re all the care put into these films).
And I idly thought that these guys need some vegetables, there's too many carbs w. the bread and potatoes. (Not that poor Thorin ever gets to eat, apparently, without some kind of interruption.)
And I love the brief shot of the beautiful black cat looking the room over. Most of all, Iove the scene and so happy they put it in DOS.
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DaughterofLaketown
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Apr 18 2014, 9:28pm
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I noticed this but it doesn't bother me
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On another note! In the scene with Thranduil and Tauriel, EL sounds very american when she says "I do not think...".
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Silverlode
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Apr 18 2014, 10:20pm
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I think she is meant to be a hobbit.
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I just noticed watching it a day or two ago that she's smaller than Thorin, and obviously smaller than Gandalf. The scale isn't instantly apparent, because she's standing and they're sitting. But of course it's perfectly reasonable that there would be a hobbit barmaid in Bree.
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Azimuth
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Apr 18 2014, 10:45pm
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In the credits her surname is Butterbur, as far as I remember. And one of the assassins is Ferny
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Thranduiliel
Bree
Apr 18 2014, 10:48pm
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me too with Evangeline Lilly Also with her 'As ordered my Lord' the 'or' sounds were more elongated than it should have been, so it came out as a bit of a drawl.
Also with Thranduil's 'Other lands are not my concern', he lost his English accent for a brief time. Although Lee Pace's English accent has vastly improved since Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day (where his accent was a bizarre mix of Yorkshire and Scottish), his "r's" went a little soft American, giving him a slight Irish lilt during that line. Not that I mind listening to anything Lee Pace has to say in whatever accent he chooses to use...
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arithmancer
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Apr 19 2014, 1:41am
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Sean Astin was doing a West Country accent. The West Country is an area of the south-west of England.
As an American I can't evaluate how well or poorly he was doing it but it sounded pretty clear to me he wasn't using any American accent in the films.
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deskp
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Apr 19 2014, 4:29am
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i thought it sounded like she was trying to do something kindof Irish.
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DanielLB
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Apr 19 2014, 7:21am
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It sounds like normal Westron to me. /
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