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Beorn's Bees
Lorien
Apr 16 2014, 9:34pm
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Beorn torture scene?
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Does anybody else remember reading an interview with Micheal Persberant (I probably spelled that wrong) about an "embarrassing" torture scene he shot for The Hobbit? When do you think this would have fit in, assuming it's a flashback? Or, perhaps it hasn't happened yet. My theory: Beorn and Radagast show up at DG to save Gandy. Then, Gandy and Raddy escape, but Beorn is captured. This would be an ideal place for that torture scene. Then, the White Council shows up later and frees Beorn, who afterwards goes berserk, and helps destroy DG. Thoughts?
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Dcole4
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Apr 16 2014, 9:40pm
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I think your scenario is what will happen...
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Hopefully. That was the impression I had going into DOS. I assumed Gandalf would get captured earlier and Radagast and Beorn would bust him out, with Beorn being nabbed as they fled. And that would be part of the cliffhanger of DOS. Obviously that didn't work out. I get the feeling they pushed the bulk of the Dol Guldur plot to TABA since they had so much material for DOS. It is also the easiest plot to push (to help pad out film 3) since it's separate from the main storyline.
It'll be bizarre if film 3 opens and the white counsel just appears and saves Gandalf. They need to build up to it.
(This post was edited by Dcole4 on Apr 16 2014, 9:42pm)
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Apr 17 2014, 1:55am
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i think this scene was cut but it might not make it into the EE
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because this was when they were going to have Gandalf introduce the dwarves to Beorn, so i'm not sure if it can fit with the new structure with Beorn chasing them into his home ect.. I'm positive this scene was filmed because it was talked about by the actors.
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swampB
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Apr 17 2014, 1:55am
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I think it will be a flashback just after Thorin asks him how he knows Azog.
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Apr 17 2014, 1:57am
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have you heard anything official about Beorn joining the assault on dol-guldur? because that sounds amazing 
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tsmith675
Gondor
Apr 17 2014, 2:12am
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Our destiny lies above us.
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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens
Apr 17 2014, 2:30am
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There's that Lego set with Beorn (by himself) in Dol Guldur. That could be a flashback that will be in the EE or a scene that was pushed to TABA.
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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens
Apr 17 2014, 2:32am
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Has it been confirmed anywhere that the Beorn chase was actually shot as an alternative to the dwarves being introduced to him? I thought I read somewhere that those scenes were both part of the original shoot and the introduction just happened the next morning when they all woke up and Beorn finally had a chance to talk with them.
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Arandir
Gondor
Apr 17 2014, 7:09am
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His torture occurs before (vlog 12)
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At least, that's what is being hinted at. When Beorn shows his chains and recounts that the orcs took his people as prisoners for sport, I'd imagine that's where a possible "torture scene flashback" would occur.
Beorn aiding Radagast (and possibly the White Council) to help Gandalf and attack Dol Guldur seems a definite possibility, but not that he is captured.
Remember in Vlog 12 (or 13?) when there's a scene between Gandalf and Radagast (and Ian McKellen messes up his lines)?
Roughly it goes ...
Gandalf: I suggest you leave now!
Radagast: Go after him?
Gandalf: Well there is little time ...
With Gandalf missing his staff and this scene not featuring in DOS (perhaps the EEs?), I always thought it will be part of TABA, with Gandalf being rescued and ordering Radagast to go after Beorn - who may have run off after some fleeing orcs from Dol Guldur - completely berserk - bringing him back in time for the BoFA.
Pure speculation here, but who knows ...
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Eleniel
Tol Eressea
Apr 17 2014, 7:35am
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That is how Martin Freeman described in the EMPIRE podcast...
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I thought I read somewhere that those scenes were both part of the original shoot and the introduction just happened the next morning when they all woke up and Beorn finally had a chance to talk with them.
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Salmacis81
Tol Eressea
Apr 18 2014, 8:33pm
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...but originally they had planned for a grudge between Bolg and Beorn. Bolg was Sauron's personal dungeon-master (or something of the sort), and it looked like they had been planning to set up a grudge between the two of them so Beorn could do what he does in the book (SPOILERS- Beorn is supposed to kill Bolg).
With all of the last-minute changes to that whole thing (including swapping Bolg and Azog's roles and completely deleting Conan Steven's performance), I have a feeling the whole "Beorn tortured" thing has been dropped.
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