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EomundDaughter
Lorien

Apr 16 2014, 9:08pm

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Have any other books or authors ever yielded such a series of blockbuster movies and fan discussions as Tolkien??
Shakespeare? StarWars?


Darkstone
Immortal


Apr 16 2014, 9:19pm

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Sherlock Holmes [In reply to] Can't Post

Indeed, the term "canon" in the context of fictional works was first used by the fans of Holmes.

Holmes fandom was the first fandom.

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Elarie
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Apr 16 2014, 10:15pm

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Do comic books count as books? [In reply to] Can't Post

If they do, what about the Marvel movies?

And as for fan discussion - it's hard to compare current internet fan sites with pre-internet fan clubs, where everything was done by mail. It seems like back in the 30's doing a whole series of movies based on books was pretty popular - The Thin Man, The Hardy Boys and so on, but I don't know if the fans had any way of getting together and discussing them.

Maybe some of the film history buffs on TORN can answer this?

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Beorn's Bees
Lorien

Apr 16 2014, 10:24pm

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Star Wars [In reply to] Can't Post

Coming from a massive Star Wars fan, Star Wars is definately up there with fan discussions and conventions.


Elarie
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Apr 16 2014, 10:27pm

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Star Wars didn't come from a book, though, did it? [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought the movie came first, and then the books?

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sevilodorf
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Apr 17 2014, 12:50am

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Tarzan? [In reply to] Can't Post

Though how many of the movies were actually based on the books and how many just based on the characters.

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Apr 17 2014, 12:51am

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Wait ... the obvious just hit me.... [In reply to] Can't Post

James Bond

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Nira
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Apr 17 2014, 4:57am

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Harry Potter // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Calardan
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Apr 17 2014, 2:00pm

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Star Trek [In reply to] Can't Post

I am a bit biased and all, but really Star Trek is enormously popular, with constructed languages, internal histories, and important dialogue on the human (and often non-human) condition. Like Tolkien's work, Roddenberry's has great value to humanity and is widely recognized as singularly relevant and poignant.

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noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 17 2014, 2:21pm

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Have any other books or authors ever yielded such a series of blockbuster movies and fan discussions as Tolkien??


Though 'fan discussions' have sometimes, regrettably, become violent.

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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 17 2014, 2:48pm

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You are correct. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Star Wars didn't come from a book, though, did it? I thought the movie came first, and then the books?



That's right, and that also applies to the later example of Star Trek. Here it is more the reverse, a huge canon of books, comics, televison shows and video games have grown out of the Star Wars movies. To a lesser extent for Star Trek where the various spin-off projects fail to feed into a consistant continuity.

On the other hand, the Tarzan novels and the tales of Sherlock Holmes are both excellent examples.

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Annael
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Apr 17 2014, 2:52pm

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well, Austen's work comes to mind. And George Eliot. and Dickens. [In reply to] Can't Post

I own four different versions of "Pride & Prejudice" myself and have seen several others; there are at least two dramatizations I've seen of every one of her other books as well.

I think I've seen 10 dramatizations of "Jane Eyre" (but only own two), and at least one of every other one of Eliot's books.

Same with Dickens. All of his works have been dramatized, many repeatedly. How many versions of "A Christmas Carol" are out there? Including one with Muppets!

I suspect their fandoms are just as multitudinous, if not more so, than any scifi or fantasy work. But probably quieter.

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Annael
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Apr 17 2014, 2:54pm

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although you could argue [In reply to] Can't Post

that it did, in a way: Lucas was inspired by Joseph Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces to deliberately create a heroic quest story set in space.

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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 17 2014, 3:00pm

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That's a bit of a reach. [In reply to] Can't Post

Campbell was an inspiration for Lucas, but not the source of the story of Star Wars. Lucas borrowed from diverse sources: Akira Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress; the aerial dogfight sequences from Tora, Tora, Tora!; Space Battleship Yamato; Laurel and Hardy; Arthurian legend; etc.

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Apr 17 2014, 3:18pm

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There are lots of very active Jane Austen societies [In reply to] Can't Post

including one in my state - with lots of people I know belonging to it. :-)



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Elarie
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Apr 17 2014, 3:57pm

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How about Grimm's fairy tales? [In reply to] Can't Post

The illustrated books, movies, TV shows and stage plays must number in the hundreds. And then, of course, there's the Disney princess empire with quite a few characters from the Grimm tales. And those little girl princess fans are REALLY enthusiastic - the original Cosplay!

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Bracegirdle
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Apr 17 2014, 4:47pm

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There are only 14 people on earth that can't relate to... [In reply to] Can't Post

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I am a bit biased and all, but really Star Trek is enormously popular, with constructed languages, internal histories, and important dialogue on the human (and often non-human) condition. Like Tolkien's work, Roddenberry's has great value to humanity and is widely recognized as singularly relevant and poignant.


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Apr 17 2014, 5:15pm

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James Bond is the one that hit me first, too // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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demnation
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Apr 17 2014, 8:09pm

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True. Though not necessarily an apples to apples comparison, I think [In reply to] Can't Post

Austen, Dickens et al have the benefit of no longer being in copyright, therefore allowing many, many more adaptations to be made by whoever wants to make them and allowing their works to reach a potentially broader audience. Tolkien's work is, of course, still shackled by copyright. It will be interesting in about fifty years or so when it's not, though!

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noWizardme
Half-elven


Apr 17 2014, 8:41pm

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The Bible: plenty of blockbusters, and 'fan discussions' have on occasion lead beyond NARFing to open war. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Arthur Martine

"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

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Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Apr 17 2014, 10:03pm

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Oz might be headed for this list [In reply to] Can't Post

Between Oz the Great and Powerful, the Muppets version from 2005, SyFy's Tin Man in 2007, and a possible Wicked film adaptation in the future, it's certainly had it's share of renewed discussion in the last decade or so.



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Arandiel
Grey Havens

Apr 17 2014, 10:51pm

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Agatha Christie comes to mind... [In reply to] Can't Post

Not as a big blockbuster, maybe, but her books have generated or inspired lots of movies, TV shows and episodes, and so on.

Though I have to add, I had to stop reading her books years and years ago. Too many hidden clues and surprise endings led to too-frequent longings to throw books across rooms. Not restful, not at all. Wink


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Apr 17 2014, 11:30pm

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What about Philp K Dick? [In reply to] Can't Post

Granted, most of the film adaptations of his books haven't been universally loved, but there sure have been a lot of them.



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Arandiel
Grey Havens

Apr 17 2014, 11:33pm

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And both, when they are at their best, [In reply to] Can't Post

have amazing communities of people at their heart. Jim Kirk wouldn't get any farther without Spock and Bones than Frodo would without Sam.*



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glor
Rohan

Apr 17 2014, 11:44pm

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Ducks for cover... [In reply to] Can't Post

Twilight

(never seen them but they are Blockbusters based on books with a huge fanbase)

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