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book Gandalf
Rohan
Apr 14 2014, 7:26pm
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ring world and smaug
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this question got lost in another thread, but i still find it intriguing!
whenever bilbo wears the ring, the ringworld (ive checked) clearly goes almost black and white, very muted,in both auj and dos, yet when bilbo puts the ring on in the dos sequence with smaug, the colours become more saturated and intense, smaug is more red, and the gold is golder, theres a huge noticeable difference.
why is this? is it significant, why not the same? is it simply inconsistencies, as the smaug scene was very dull to begin with!
its bugging me, and it should you too!! ;)
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tsmith675
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Apr 14 2014, 7:53pm
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Maybe it has something to do with the gold, I don't know.
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They may say something about it in the EE commentary for DoS.
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Arannir
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Apr 14 2014, 8:45pm
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I do not know what this would have anything to do with a scene "being dull to begin with".
Anyway, I felt it was a good choice since it was easy to make out everything you needed to see or get teased with. And the effect was clearly the Ring-effect imho, influenced by all the gold around Bilbo. As I felt the effect in Goblin Town was influenced by the blueish/greyish surrounding of the cavern. Also while being quite b/wish the red of the sunset when Bilbo comes out of Goblintown also has a certain reddish to it. When I look at Bilbo's jacket red/golden seems to be the colour the least influenced by the effect.
What I found more confusing is the first cut after we see Bilbo putting on the ring. One might think for a second that this is how Smaug sees the world. But it becomes clear right afterwards.
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Darkstone
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Apr 14 2014, 9:15pm
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In The Prancing Pony Sauron's magical Eye was very much magical red.
The Kings in White on Amon Súl were very white indeed.
Arwen's gown was blinding magical white when Frodo first saw her in the Trollshaws. (The others just saw her mundane green riding clothes.)
So I imagine the magical fire of a magical dragon would glow a distinct magical red.
As for gold, there's something magical about it as it seems to attract dragons almost against their will. Indeed, in Anglo-Saxon mythology the dragon Fafnir was orignally a human (or humanoid) who was magically transformed by a gold hoard into a dragon!
As well it might, as gold was sung into existance by the Gods:
'When the moon was new and the sun young
of silver and gold the gods sung:
in the green grass they silver spilled,
and the white waters they with gold filled."
-JRR Tolkien, The Hoard
So yeah, it makes total sense in Tolkien's mythology.
Doesn't bug me at all.
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brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
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an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
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MouthofSauron
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Apr 15 2014, 3:38am
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he's a magical creature and he's very powerful maybe?
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maybe black and white is for "non magical creatures"
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FaramirAndEowynMorningStar
Rohan
Apr 16 2014, 3:04pm
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Because the film makers chose it to be that way...
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I believe it is because the Ring is waking up, so it is not as powerful as it is in FOTR. I think the film makers decided this so that it explains how the Ring will gradually progress to be in FOTR where Frodo puts it on and he is drawn immediately to the Eye.
 ..The Lord of Silver Fountains
.....The King of Carven Stone
..The King Under the Mountain
.......Shall come into his own
..And the bells will ring in gladness
......At the Mountain King's return
..But all shall fail in sadness
....And the lake will shine and burn
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