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The Grey Pilgrim
Lorien
Apr 5 2014, 8:52pm
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HELP! List of Cinematic influences on "The Lord of the Rings?"
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I am making a video tribute to the LOTR trilogy for a film class I am in. I am also including clips from films that inspired Peter Jackson in his vision of "The Lord of the Rings." I love how the films have been described as "David Lean meets Ray Harryhausen" and I have been taking that and running with it but I want to include a few others. I have included a list of films that I believe had some influence on LOTR through various sources. I would really appreciate if any of you could add big ones that I may have missed.
Films:
The Bridge on the River Kwai (David Lean)
Doctor Zhivago (David Lean)
Lawrence of Arabia (David Lean)
King Kong (of course)
The 7th Voyage of Sinbad (Ray Harryhausen)
Zulu (Jackson has talked at length about the influence of this film on particularly the Two Towers and the buildup to Helm's Deep.)
Braveheart (mentioned by Jackson in reference to the battle scenes)
Star Wars
Jason and the Argonauts (another Harryhausen)
Those are just a few that come to mind. Any big ones you guys can think of that Jackson or someone close to the production has said was a noted influence, or even films you think that haven't been mentioned that may have influenced LOTR.
Thanks!
Can't wait to show you guys the video!
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Faleel
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Apr 5 2014, 8:59pm
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I heard that Dragonslayer had some influence on the cinematography
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Magpie
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Apr 5 2014, 9:04pm
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my first thought is, if you're looking for films that inspired Jackson, you're going to need citations that that is indeed the case... that Jackson was, in fact, inspired by those films.
But if you phrase it as films that might have inspired Jackson... one could go further afield.
IMDB has a section for each movie that is "movie connections."
In that section are different categories including films that the movie in question is supposedly inspired by or influenced by or references. These are all user submissions and any entry might have been made by a film studies scholar or some dim bulb doofus. Additionally, a lot of people don't say 'why' they think a movie has been referenced... or in what way and it can be incredibly unhelpful if they don't.
But they might be of some use for you:
http://www.imdb.com/...260/movieconnections
http://www.imdb.com/...737/movieconnections
http://www.imdb.com/...261/movieconnections
Have you listened to all the commentaries? I would think all but perhaps the actors' commentary could prove useful and I would definitely suggest you must listen to insure you have citable sources.
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 6 2014, 4:28pm
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Don't forget Ralph Bakshi's 'LotR'
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Jackson deliberately lifted at least a couple of shots from the the animtated LotR movie--one takes place during Bilbo's farewell speech.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Meneldor
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Apr 6 2014, 9:13pm
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In one of the commentary tracks
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PJ talks about the FX for the oathbreaker ghosts and that Pirates of the Caribbean came out when they were working on them. IIRC, he was concerned that his ghosts would be seen as a copy of PotC.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.
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Darkstone
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Apr 8 2014, 5:54pm
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A few OTOH:
Mr. Bilbo’s Trolls: Image of Tor Johnson, zombie in Plan 9 From Outer Space
“Crebain from Dunland”: Alfred Hitchcock’s The Birds
Continuous overhead shot of Uruks attacking at Amon Hen: From The Longest Day, the longest ever (up to then) continuous tracking aerial shot of the French commandos attacking the casino at Ouistreham.
Frodo’s cape fluttering at Amon Hen: Most Bruce Lee films
Frodo holding Sam's hand in the Anduin at end of FOTR: Rose holding Jack's hand in the Atlantic at end of Titanic
Townspeople warily watching Gandalf and The Three Hunters entering Edoras: Townspeople warily watching The Stranger entering town in High Plains Drifter
Staple wearing warg trainer: Milton Waddams, The Office (Though that's TV.)
Explosion at Helm’s Deep: “Glory” (1989) down to the person being flung high up in the air like a rag doll.
Four riders at end of The Two Towers: Opening of the first season of Bonanza.
Gothmog: Joseph Merrick's evil twin, a tribute to director David Lynch’ The Elephant Man.
Guritz (“There's knife-work here needs doing! Come on, you sea rats, get off your ships.) wears a skull as a hat: Steve Buscemi's character in "Con Air" (1997): "I cut off one girl's head and wore it as a hat through 3 states."
Over-exposure in color palette at the Pelennor: cinematographer Conrad L. Hall,
"My friends, you bow to no one": Emperor and crowd bow to Mulan at end of Mulan (1998)
Some literary references:
Axe in Bifur's head: Thor in The Eddas
Skull avalanche: H. Rider Haggard’s “She”, one of Tolkien's favorite books
Green glowing scrubbing bubbles at the Pelennor: Santa's "Patent green luminous smoke" from Tolkien’s Father Christmas Letters
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A fox passing through the wood on business of his own stopped several minutes and sniffed. "A chicken crossing the road!" he thought. "Well, what next? I have heard of strange doings in this land, but I have seldom heard of a chicken crossing the road! There's something mighty queer behind this." He was quite right, but he never found out any more because he ate it.
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Arannir
Valinor
Apr 10 2014, 9:31am
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Not exactly a "movie" influence...
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... but the shot of Saruman speaking to his troops before Isengard is unleashed is clearly influenced by the "Nürnberger Reichsparteitage" (known in English as the Nuremberg Rallies) and how they were captured on film by the director Leni Riefenstahl and her Nazi propaganda movie "Triumph des Willens" (Triumph of the Will) from 1935. The similarity of this scene and Nuremberg is - as far as I recall - also discussed on the EE of TTT.
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Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."
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the 13th warrior
Rivendell
Apr 27 2014, 4:41pm
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Props on the Bakshi reference!
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Hello to TheHutt (related to Jabba?) - Glad you gave Bakshi a mention.His LOTR a very underrated, undermentioned work that deserves some credit, especially since it was made back in '78 and '79 when animation was done the painstaking old fashioned way--not that the modern CGI artists aren't talented. But handcrafting cell by cell of film with complicated animation was a real feat.
Bakshi made the backstory --"there were 3 rings for the elven kings, etc"-- unfold in a similar fashion, characters striking iconic poses, and also taking part in action, dramatic silhouettes as i recall. also he like PJ decided to cut Tom Bombadil out--too bad as i am huge Tom fan, but i can see why they both did it. get them to Bree and the meeting with aragorn ASAP. Elves like Legolas, Galadriel, were a bit 70s rockstar-looking for my tastes--but aragorn, hobbits, gandalf and others were quite good with fine vocals. black riders were eerie and materialized in and out of our reality and their ghost world. always wondered why bakshi named the saruman character aruman, dropping the S. but it was all pretty good, the landscapes, rivendell, lorien were all interesting looking and sometimes quite memorable.
so here's to bakshi for showing them the way, too bad he only could take the story to helm's deep, glad PJ went all the way with it.
regards, the 13th warrior 
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