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Palantiri quiz. . . .

Bracegirdle
Grey Havens


Apr 5 2014, 6:01pm

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Palantiri quiz. . . . Can't Post

Books only but No Peekee!
This is an exercise for the brain. You are on your honor to search the mush between your ears and not look in any books, internet, or consult with The Authorities!

Winners will receive milk & cookies from Riven Delve (or not).
If you cannot answer all the questions jump in anyway – Hey! You just may win some cookies.

1. Who made the palantiri?
2. How many palantiri were there?
3. Who brought the palantiri to Middle-earth from Numenor?
4. What were their locations (when all were in use in Middle-earth)?
5. What was the final disposition (fate) of each of the palantiri?

Bonus questions: (Extra cookies)
1. What was seen in the Minas Tirith Stone after Denethor cremated himself?
2. How big (diameter) was the Orthanc-stone? (You know, the one Pippin peeked into.)
3. What was different about the Stone kept at the Tower Hills?
4. Give 4 names for these crystal objects.
5. What was “shrouding”? (Double-extra cookies!)

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elaen32
Gondor


Apr 5 2014, 8:54pm

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I'll have a go.... [In reply to] Can't Post

1. Who made the palantiri?
The Noldor?
2. How many palantiri were there?

Seven
3. Who brought the palantiri to Middle-earth from Numenor?

Elendil
4. What were their locations (when all were in use in Middle-earth)?

Tower Hills, Annuminas, Amon Sul, Orthanc, Minas Anor (Tirith), Minas Ithil (Morgul), Osgiliath
5. What was the final disposition (fate) of each of the palantiri?

Tower Hills- still there at end of LOTR?
Annuminas and Amon Sul- at the bottom of the sea in the Bay of Forochel
Orthanc- Aragorn kept it- presumably at Minas Tirith
Minas Anor/Tirith- stayed in the hands of Denethor in his tomb
Minas Ithil/Morgul- presumably destroyed in the destruction of Baradur
Osgiliath- lost in the ruin of Osgiliath- presumably rolled to the bottom of the Anduin
Bonus questions: (Extra cookies)
1. What was seen in the Minas Tirith Stone after Denethor cremated himself?

Withered hands holding it in the flames
2. How big (diameter) was the Orthanc-stone? (You know, the one Pippin peeked into.)

About a foot
3. What was different about the Stone kept at the Tower Hills?

It only looked into the West with straight sight- it was not in accord with all the others
4. Give 4 names for these crystal objects.

Seeing-stones, palantiri, the seven stones er...
5. What was “shrouding”?

Stopping any users of the other stones from peeking in- could not just be done by covering it as in the movies, or even by putting it in a dungeon
(Double-extra cookies!)





Is there a Tolkien topic that you have wanted to look into more deeply and write about your thoughts on it? If so, we'd like to hear from you for the next TORn Amateur Symposium- coming in April. Happy writing!



IdrilofGondolin
Rohan

Apr 5 2014, 8:55pm

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I'll Try [In reply to] Can't Post

1. Feanor
2. 7
3. Elendil
4. Minas Ithil, Osgiliath. Minas Anor. Amon Sul. Orthanc. Emyn Baraid, The Grey Havens
5. Sauron had the Ithil Stone. The Osgiliath Stone was lost in the Anduin. Aragorn had the Orthanc and the Anor stone. The Amon Sul stone was lost with the last king of the Northern Realm in the ice, The Emyn Bariad stone went back to the Blessed Realm with Gandalf.

That's the best I can do from memory.


Bracegirdle
Grey Havens


Apr 5 2014, 9:36pm

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To both Edrilof Gondolin & elaen32 [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, you both did surprisngly well. Congratulations.
I can't yet tell you where you went right or wrong without giving away too much information to other possible players.

I was very surprised that elaen32 got "shrouding", as it's been a time since I've watched the movies. I don't know if she'll be awarded a full Double-extra plate of cookies because she was reminded from the movies.
But, what's in someones head still has to count I guess. Smile BTW even Tolkien admitted I think in Letters that he didn't know the particulars of how shrouding worked.
Thanks for playing....

I'll probably give all the answers Monday unless some other smarty-pants comes along and gets them all..
Cool


Elizabeth
Valinor


Apr 5 2014, 10:12pm

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Hmmm. [In reply to] Can't Post

1. Who made the palantiri?
Possibly Fëonor, according to Gandalf

2. How many palantiri were there?
7

3. Who brought the palantiri to Middle-earth from Numenor?
Elendil

4. What were their locations (when all were in use in Middle-earth)?
Tower Hills (looks only West), Annúminas, Amon Sul, Minas Ithil, Osgiliath, Minas Anor, Orthanc

5. What was the final disposition (fate) of each of the palantiri?
Tower Hills (still); Annúminas & Amon Sul: sunk in ocean; Minas Ithil: taken to Barad Dur & lost in its collapse; Osgiliath: lost in its ruin (possibly in Anduin); Minas Anor: ruined by Denethor; Orthanc: possessed by the King.

Bonus questions: (Extra cookies)
1. What was seen in the Minas Tirith Stone after Denethor cremated himself?
His hands

2. How big (diameter) was the Orthanc-stone? (You know, the one Pippin peeked into.)
About a foot?

3. What was different about the Stone kept at the Tower Hills?
Unidirectional

4. Give 4 names for these crystal objects.
Palantiri, seeing stones, ...

5. What was “shrouding”? (Double-extra cookies!)
Sorry, no bells ringing

Not many cookies, I fear!








(This post was edited by Elizabeth on Apr 5 2014, 10:14pm)


Gimloid
The Shire

Apr 6 2014, 2:34am

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1. Who made the palantiri?
Feanor, probably, though I don't think it's known for certain.

2. How many palantiri were there?
Seven that we know about; there may have been more originally made.

3. Who brought the palantiri to Middle-earth from Numenor?
Elendil.

4. What were their locations (when all were in use in Middle-earth)?
Ithil, Anor, Osgiliath, Orthanc, Elostirion, Annuminas, and another place up north beginning with A whose name eludes me for the moment...

5. What was the final disposition (fate) of each of the palantiri?
Ithil: presumed destroyed with Barad-dur, although never actually confirmed. (My thought is that as they seem pretty well indestructible it's probably still there under the rubble...)
Anor: still in Minas Tirith, still sort of works if you have enough willpower but more likely to just show Denethor's hands withering in flame.
Orthanc: also in MT after Aragorn cleared Sauron's rootkit off it.
Osgiliath: lost in the Anduin.
Elostirion: as far as we know it's still there, I think.
The two northern ones: lost in shipwreck in the Ice Bay of Forochel (even the name sounds cold!)

Bonus questions: (Extra cookies)
1. What was seen in the Minas Tirith Stone after Denethor cremated himself?
Two aged hands withering in flame...

2. How big (diameter) was the Orthanc-stone? (You know, the one Pippin peeked into.)
A foot or so.

3. What was different about the Stone kept at the Tower Hills?
It would only look West and was not on the same network as the others.

4. Give 4 names for these crystal objects.
Palantiri, seeing stones, um um er... nope, it's not coming. But if you translate "Palantir" according to the usual "conventions" for naming technological artefacts it comes out as "television", which probably doesn't count but it is amusing.

5. What was "shrouding"?
A means of rendering a volume of space opaque to palantir surveillance.


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Apr 6 2014, 7:46am

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BTW - a discussion of "The Palantiri" chapter of Unfinished Tales has just started in the Reading Room [In reply to] Can't Post

http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=730199#730199

...and everyone is welcome to join in!

~~~~~~

"… ever let your aim be to come at truth, not to conquer your opponent. So you never shall be at a loss in losing the argument, and gaining a new discovery.”
Arthur Martine

"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Apr 6 2014, 7:49am

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Would it be cheating to use my palantir to research the answers? [In reply to] Can't Post

Oh, OK it would. Though, given their success rate in LOTR, perhaps they would be "an unreliable guide to deeds" anyway! http://newboards.theonering.net/...i?post=730203#730203

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"… ever let your aim be to come at truth, not to conquer your opponent. So you never shall be at a loss in losing the argument, and gaining a new discovery.”
Arthur Martine

"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


Bracegirdle
Grey Havens


Apr 6 2014, 3:34pm

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Palantiri quiz answers [In reply to] Can't Post

Before getting my mind boggled at the palantir discussion in the ‘Reading Room’ I want to give the answers (my answers) to this quiz.

1. Who made the palantiri?
Almost certainly Feanor. (See “Silmarillion” “Of Feanor” and U.T. index, plus Gandalf’s remark to Pippin - “Perhaps Feanor himself”.)

2. How many palantiri were there?
8 – Everyone forgot the Master Stone that never left Eressea.

3. Who brought the palantiri to Middle-earth from Numenor?
Elendil is a good answer, but could have been aboard any ship of the Faithful, (by order of Elendil of course).

4. What were their locations (when all were in use in Middle-earth)?
In the north – Amon Sul (Weathertop); Annuminas; and Elostirion in the Tower Hills.
In the south – Minas Ithil (Morgul); Minas Anor (Tirith); Osgiliath; & Orthanc in Isenguard.


5. What was the final disposition (fate) of each of the palantiri?
In the north - Amon Sul & Annuminas were lost in the shipwreck of Forochel;
Elostirion was put aboard the “Last Ship” by Cirdan and taken to Valinor with the Three Keepers.
In the south – Minas Ithil likely destroyed with the Fall of Barad-dur, but as Gimloid noted it could be intact at the bottom of the netherworld somewhere;
Minas Anor was ruined on the Pyre of Denethor, but as noted also, one with a great strength of will might wrest it to his use, (Did Aragorn use it? Doubtful, he had the Orthanc-stone to survey his Kingdom (South at least?);
Osgiliath was lost in the Anduin during the Kin-strife; Orthanc still resides (presumably) in Minas Tirith.


Bonus questions: (Extra cookies)
1. What was seen in the Minas Tirith Stone after Denethor cremated himself?
Two withered hands. (Or see #5 above).
2. How big (diameter) was the Orthanc-stone? (You know, the one Pippin peeked into.)
About one foot.
3. What was different about the Stone kept at the Tower Hills?
It looked only West over Sea (most likely in accord with the Master Stone at Eressea?)
4. Give 4 names for these crystal objects.
Palantiri, Seeing-stones, the Seven Stones (Oops, I said there were 8), The Stones, The Seven Seeing-stones, (are we getting redundant yet?); there’s also The Stone of Elendil (Tower Hills).
5. What was “shrouding”? (Double-extra cookies!)
An unknown means of shielding oneself from being spied on by a palantir. (As I noted above even Tolkien himself wasn’t exactly sure how this “shrouding” worked.)

Loosly, very loosly: elaen32 got about 1 & 2 parts wrong; IdrilofGondolin did great as far as she went – the only one to get the fate of the Emyn Bariad Stone-congrats; Elizabeth missed 2 & a part- one each “atta girl” for you; Gimloid missed about one and three parts.

As I haven’t heard from Riven Delve I had to sneak into her kitchen for cookies. Kudos to all - please divide as you see fit.
And thanks to all for playing. Hope it was fun!


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Bracegirdle
Grey Havens


Apr 6 2014, 3:40pm

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Bracegirdle
Grey Havens


Apr 6 2014, 3:41pm

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Bracegirdle
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Apr 6 2014, 3:41pm

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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


Apr 7 2014, 3:11am

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Hmmm... I'll have a go [In reply to] Can't Post

1. Who made the palantiri?

Feanor, I think....

2. How many palantiri were there?

Seven. Seven stars and seven stones and one White Tree

3. Who brought the palantiri to Middle-earth from Numenor?

Elendil

4. What were their locations (when all were in use in Middle-earth)?

Ooh. toughie...

1.Osgiliath
2.Amon Hen?
3.Minas Anor
4.Forochel
5.Tower Hills

That's all I can recall...

5. What was the final disposition (fate) of each of the palantiri?

1. Orthanc
2.Sauron took
3. and 4. on the bottom of the Ice bay of Forochel
5. In Minas Tirith

Bonus questions: (Extra cookies)
1. What was seen in the Minas Tirith Stone after Denethor cremated himself?

Burning hands

2. How big (diameter) was the Orthanc-stone? (You know, the one Pippin peeked into.)

18 inches?

3. What was different about the Stone kept at the Tower Hills?

It was the Master stone.

4. Give 4 names for these crystal objects.

Palantiri
Seeing-stones
To-see/look from afar (Meaning of the name)
Shiny!!Laugh

5. What was “shrouding”? (Double-extra cookies!)

The practice of keeping a cover on the stone to prevent eavesdropping.
or
The ability to eavesdrop on other stones.


Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?


Bracegirdle
Grey Havens


Apr 7 2014, 4:42pm

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Rem certainly has INTEGRITY ! [In reply to] Can't Post

But, Alas! No cookies. Frown

Please see Palantiri quiz answers above.

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