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How did I never notice this before? 1973
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Aunt Dora Baggins
Immortal


Mar 30 2014, 7:18pm

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How did I never notice this before? 1973 Can't Post

I remember vividly the day Tolkien died, so how did I never notice this? My daughter saw this on tumblr and sent it to me:


Tolkien died in 1973. Reverse it and you get 3791.
Three rings for the elven kings under the sky, seven for the dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, nine for mortal men doomed to die, and one for the dark lord on his dark throne.


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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
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BlackFox
Half-elven


Mar 30 2014, 7:21pm

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That ain't no coincidence, I tell you that! ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Meneldor
Valinor


Mar 30 2014, 7:25pm

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Oooh! [In reply to] Can't Post

Anybody else get goosebumps?


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BlackFox
Half-elven


Mar 30 2014, 7:26pm

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Count me in! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Patty
Immortal


Mar 30 2014, 8:57pm

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That is chilling./ [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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DaughterofLaketown
Gondor


Mar 30 2014, 9:02pm

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That is creepy [In reply to] Can't Post

To think. It's like he knew?


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Mar 30 2014, 9:04pm

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Me too!// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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dernwyn
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Mar 30 2014, 11:24pm

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Wow...that is just too...weird! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Mar 31 2014, 12:56pm

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Whoa... [In reply to] Can't Post

That just woke me up. Tongue *sips more coffee*

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Lily Fairbairn
Half-elven


Mar 31 2014, 2:27pm

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So, Tolkien scholars.... [In reply to] Can't Post

This intriguing fact leads me to ask those of you who are more deeply steeped in HoME than I am---did Tolkien always use three, seven, and nine rings? Did he ever consider using, say, three, five, and seven, which are all prime numbers? Or did he seem to know from the beginning that those were the "right" numbers, and if so, was there some significance to each number that I'm missing?

Thanks!




Bracegirdle
Valinor


Mar 31 2014, 6:24pm

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My goose has bumps too ! [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien most certainly liked prime numbers - 3,7,9,1. (The Rings.)

The proof lies in the fact that he never mentions the Fourth Elven Ring, Kemenya - The Ring of Earth, set with a single green stone.

But he mentions only three: Vilya, The Ring of Air set with a single blue stone; Nenya, The Ring of Water set with a single white stone; and Narya, The Ring of Fire set with a single red stone.

"Four Rings for the Elven-kings.." just doesn't have the right ring Crazy

"I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold
and leaves of gold there grew.
Of wind I sang, a wind there came,
and in the branches blew."

I, Narvi, didn't make this up, but I made some other real neat stuff.

(This post was edited by Bracegirdle on Mar 31 2014, 6:25pm)


phij2
Rivendell

Mar 31 2014, 7:17pm

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eek [In reply to] Can't Post

i...
have...
the...
creeps...


RangerLady23
Lorien

Mar 31 2014, 8:54pm

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Major goosebumps! [In reply to] Can't Post

I tell you, there was something going on with Tolkien in his writing of Middle-earth. He knew stuff that we may never understand. Creepy, but in a good way.
*shivers* Ooh. I just got chills as I write this!


Gunslinger24
The Shire


Mar 31 2014, 10:05pm

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He was a genius [In reply to] Can't Post

And had an amazing imagination! Definetly would have loved to just give him a good handshake and say: thank you, sir.

I created the sound of madness, wrote the book on pain.


nandorin elf
Bree


Mar 31 2014, 11:19pm

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Weird! [In reply to] Can't Post

Never noticed that before. That's just...weird...*shivers*


grammaboodawg
Immortal


Mar 31 2014, 11:55pm

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*jaw drops* whoa.... [In reply to] Can't Post

I just got MASSIVE chills.

Wow... It's going to take a little while to get my head around this one.

Amazing...

Thank you!

*whispers* It's also the year my younger daughter was born.



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Loresilme
Valinor


Apr 1 2014, 12:26pm

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Wow! Truth really is stranger than fiction [In reply to] Can't Post

And this truth is very, very strange indeed. Wow. Even my goosebumps have goosebumps.


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Apr 2 2014, 12:51am

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Patty
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Apr 2 2014, 3:45am

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What are the mathematical chances of his death occurring in that year? [In reply to] Can't Post

Have a go that, all of you love math.

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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 2 2014, 4:39pm

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I think it would take an actuary to answer that question. [In reply to] Can't Post

But roughly, given his age, I would guess about 10%


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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
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"A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories

leleni at hotmail dot com
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Patty
Immortal


Apr 2 2014, 5:31pm

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Really? Not being at all good at math I would have said [In reply to] Can't Post

The odds were worse than that. With each number doesn't the possibility, probability go up exponentially that that wouldn't have happened in that year?

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squire
Half-elven


Apr 2 2014, 8:56pm

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The odds were greater than 50% but I don't know how much greater [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly, but here goes.

According to this chart from the UK Office of Health Economics, when Tolkien was 65 years old in 1957 his life expectancy was 13 more years. That is, men born in the UK in 1892 would expect to die, on the average, in 1970: half would have died before that date, and half would have yet to die. Obviously as each year passes the odds of dying increase; what I don't know is how that curve goes up, which would indicate the "odds" of Tolkien dying in 1973. It would seem, at the least, that the probability would be significantly above 50%, perhaps as much as 60%?

Anyway, the coincidence between the digits of the inverse number of his death year and the counts of the various Rings of Power is certainly a fun, if meaningless, fact!



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Darkstone
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Apr 2 2014, 8:59pm

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Astronomical [In reply to] Can't Post

As a junior British officer he had already lived through a 50% chance of dying in the trenches.

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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Apr 2 2014, 10:02pm

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I think the question is ambiguous. [In reply to] Can't Post

If we started at the time of his birth and asked the question, we'd be factoring in things like WWI. Your chart assumes that he's still alive in 1957, which is going to give a different result. My gut reaction, which I admittedly didn't give much time to, was that if he was going to live into his seventies or eighties, say ages 75-85, then the probability of dying in any one of those ten particular years might be about 1/10.


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"For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large wastebasket. Dora was Drogo's sister, and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century."
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"A Chance Meeting at Rivendell" and other stories

leleni at hotmail dot com
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squire
Half-elven


Apr 2 2014, 10:19pm

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That seems high [In reply to] Can't Post

Not that Tolkien didn't risk his life during the war, but I thought I read somewhere that the WW I fatality rate among public school graduates - the elite from which the junior officers were drawn - was somewhat less than 25%. At the height of a battle it was probably higher, of course: during the Somme, when Tolkien served, the attrition rate has been calculated as six weeks until a junior officer became a casualty, but that term includes being wounded as well as being killed. Of course Tolkien was invalided out with trench fever, which was no joke either. As well, two out of the four boys of the TCBS (as Tolkien and his closest chums called themselves) were killed, so Tolkien may well have felt he had lived through a 50% chance!



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