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Faramir's origins

DaughterofLaketown
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Mar 22, 6:15pm


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Just wondered if I was the only one to agree with this. http://www.lotrplaza.com/showthread.php?10312-Faramir-Tolkien%92s-Noblest-Accident
After reading it I now have what I believe is a rather unusual perception of Faramir. The best description we get of Faramir the best description we get of Faramir is from Pippin. Clearly Pippin thinks there is something different about Faramir, evident particularly in this quote:
"Pippin pressed forward as they passed under the lamp beneath the gate-arch, and when he saw the pale face of Faramir he caught his breath. It was the face of one has been assailed by a great fear or anguish, but has mastered it and now is quiet... "Yet suddenly his heart for Faramir was strangely moved with a feeling he had not known before. Here was one with an air of high nobility such as Aragorn at times revealed, less high perhaps, yet also less incalculable and remote: one of the Kings of men born into a later time, but touched with the sadness of the Eldar race."
We get similar but opposite statements from Sam when he first meets Faramir:
"You've spoken very handsome all along, put me off my guard talking of elves and all. But handsome is as handsome does we say..."
Sam is very wary of Faramir and doesn't trust him. He starts to compare Faramir to elves in his mind which he has begun to mistrust, starting with Galdriel's mirror. Faramir's perception of truth seems more than the average ability, and his prophetic dream of the great wave that came upon Numenor is also very telling I think. Faramir's way with words and getting the truth from people seems more to me like a gift than a highly refined talent. It also reminded me of the quote, "Go not to the elves for advice for they will say both yes and no." Faramir's whole conversation in Window on the West with Sam and Frodo reads like a very skillful questioning like in a mystery case. All this to say I don't think Faramir is entirely human.


(This post was edited by DaughterofLaketown on Mar 22, 6:17pm)

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Faramir's origins DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 22, 6:15pm
    Welcome Daughter of Laketown! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Mar 22, 7:27pm
        Yes Brethil DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 23, 4:15pm
            Well..... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 23, 7:41pm
                Faramir is unconventional Elanor of Rohan Send a private message to Elanor of Rohan Mar 23, 8:45pm
                    I love this! DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 23, 10:05pm
                        I am astonished this discussion is still going! DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 23, 10:06pm
                            Our threads go ever on and on noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 25, 3:54pm
    Well... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 22, 7:42pm
        That's the thing DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 22, 10:26pm
            I would DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 22, 10:28pm
            Finduilas of Dol Amroth Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 23, 3:02pm
                Here is my reasoning far flung as it is DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 23, 4:13pm
                    That's only because it is far-fetched. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 23, 4:20pm
                        Tolkien is remarkably consistent in one thing: Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 24, 12:06am
                            That's a trifle overstated squire Send a private message to squire Mar 24, 1:11am
                                Could you elaborate on this? DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 24, 1:40am
                                    "But one day Tom, he went and caught the River-daughter" squire Send a private message to squire Mar 24, 2:04am
                                        Thank you for clearing that up. DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 24, 2:49am
                                Every time I think of poor Celebrian demnation Send a private message to demnation Mar 27, 5:25am
                                    Yes I think her end was pretty terrible. DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 27, 11:54am
                                        Celebrian suffered, but she presumably got better Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 27, 2:07pm
                                            A question. DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 27, 2:29pm
                                                It never was specified what happened to Elladan and Elrohir Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Mar 27, 3:08pm
                                                The Choice of the Peredhil Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 27, 3:09pm
                                                    Oh DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 27, 4:24pm
                                                Letter 153, to Peter Hastings, Sept. 1954 Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 27, 7:19pm
                                        The veiled menace is often more fearsome for the reason of the unknown Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Mar 27, 2:59pm
                            I think it was DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 24, 1:34am
                                I agree with you. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 24, 4:29am
                            You're preaching to the choir, Liz. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 24, 12:16pm
                                Just agreeing with you! :-) // Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 24, 6:01pm
                                    Sorry for the misunderstanding. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 24, 8:21pm
                                        I read an interesting article about Aredhel... IdrilLalaith Send a private message to IdrilLalaith Mar 25, 5:13am
                                            Here is the quotation I was referring to... DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 25, 1:41pm
                                            I would say that Denethor and Faramir's differences went a little deeper. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Mar 25, 1:58pm
                                                Yes DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 25, 2:12pm
    I think it goes a bit too far in some ways squire Send a private message to squire Mar 23, 1:11am
        I respect DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 23, 1:18am
            I am really DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 23, 1:19am
            different mothers? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 23, 8:59am
                noWizardme DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 23, 1:41pm
                    Faramir is indeed odd noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 23, 2:42pm
                True DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 23, 1:47pm
        Love this discussion!! EomundDaughter Send a private message to EomundDaughter Mar 23, 8:00pm
            Glad you're enjoying it Eomund daughter ! DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Mar 23, 10:08pm
    It's fun to speculate Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Mar 23, 6:17pm
    Ah Faramir!! My favourite character Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Mar 25, 2:56pm
    This is a great post MirielCelebel Send a private message to MirielCelebel Apr 5, 1:46am
    A Númenor; and nothing more. Calardan Send a private message to Calardan Apr 10, 5:07pm

 
 
 

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