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Identity and Origins of the Nazgūl (An analytical article)

Arandir
Gondor


Feb 22 2014, 1:49pm

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If anyone's interested, I've written an article speculating the possible origins of the Ringwraiths, here:

Identity and Origins of the Nazgūl Smile

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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Feb 22 2014, 2:53pm

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It is a well thought-out article for the most part [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think that you give enough consideration to the regions of the Far East and Far South, beyond the borders of the map of the North. I doubt that Khamul was the only Ringwraith to come out of the East; and at least one more of the Nazgul might have been from Far Harad.



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The map is based on drawings that Tolkien made in the 1930s. In The Shaping of Middle-earth, Christopher Tolkien explains that he cannot date them more precisely than that.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

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arithmancer
Grey Havens


Feb 22 2014, 7:40pm

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Harad [In reply to] Can't Post

I took the OP to be arguing, in his article, that perhaps two came from Harad.

3 Numenoreans
2 from Harad
1 Easterling (Khamul)
1 Man of Khand
2 from Eriador



Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Feb 22 2014, 10:12pm

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You may be correct [In reply to] Can't Post

I may not have read the essay as carefully as I could have. Still, it is entirely possible that as many as three of the Wraiths originated from the lands of the East which may have had more than one civilization as developed and sophisticated as Gondor and Arnor (a premise not supported by any textual evidence, but suggested by real-world histories of the Far East).

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

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ltnjmy
Rivendell


Feb 23 2014, 3:52am

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this was delightful [In reply to] Can't Post

I enjoyed this very much. Thank you


Brethil
Half-elven


Feb 23 2014, 4:48am

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Pleasure to read Arandir! [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree with your timescaling - for any Numenorean to be noted to have extra-long life I think a span of 500 years is quite reasonable.
Thanks for the link!

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Arandir
Gondor


Feb 23 2014, 5:47pm

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you are correct in your evaluation Smile

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Arandir
Gondor


Feb 23 2014, 5:48pm

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Arandir
Gondor


Feb 23 2014, 5:48pm

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Arandir
Gondor


Feb 23 2014, 5:50pm

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Your reasoning is perfectly legitimate [In reply to] Can't Post

As I said, this is just my own speculation and it is entirely possible that most (or all) of it is incorrect.

Also, I find your ideas on the distant lands to the east and south to be equally plausible theories ... absolutelyWink

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