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"The last of our kin..." scene
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macfalk
Valinor


Feb 6 2014, 11:07am

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"The last of our kin..." scene Can't Post

What did you think about this scene? I liked it a lot, (and the music is fantastic). I suppose that if the battle of the furnaces part would have been cut, this one would have been too.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


NecromancerRising
Gondor


Feb 6 2014, 11:27am

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It was a really [In reply to] Can't Post

moving and disturbing scene.I liked it very much and the music was great too.It was the scene that gave Thorin the most solid incentive to kill Smaug.This movie,in general, consists of so many great little details that will be appreciated during the blu ray/dvd multiple viewings by many,imo.


Annatar598
Rohan


Feb 6 2014, 1:00pm

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Was there a dead infant? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm pretty sure I saw a corpse of an infant in the crowd of dead dwarves. Is it just me or did anyone else see it too?


Elarie
Gondor

Feb 6 2014, 1:55pm

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Dead Infant [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm pretty sure I saw a dead child or infant laying on top of a women's body, as though she had been holding it when she died. It just added even more sadness to the whole scene.


legolin12
The Shire


Feb 6 2014, 2:06pm

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i cried [In reply to] Can't Post

The music is sooooooo sad! And the entire scene made me tear up big-time!

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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 6 2014, 2:33pm

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I did really like this scene [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought it added to the emotional gravity of the whole Erebor situation and Thorin's quest. The music was very sad. they did a great job on this scene for sure.

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Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 6 2014, 3:27pm

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I think this is my favorite scene in the entire movie [In reply to] Can't Post

leading up to Thorin's "If this is to end in fire...." line. For me, it is the heart of the film.

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dormouse
Half-elven


Feb 6 2014, 4:27pm

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It's heart-breaking.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... and beautifully handled.


Noria
Rohan

Feb 6 2014, 4:43pm

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This scene is beautiful and heartbreaking [In reply to] Can't Post

It brings home the tragedy of the Dwarves of Erebor and how completely evil Smaug is.

I think that Thorin already wanted to stay in Erebor and had from the moment he walked in the door. But seeing his dead people cemented his sense of purpose.


The Grey Pilgrim
Lorien


Feb 6 2014, 4:55pm

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Importance of the score; I too really enjoyed this. [In reply to] Can't Post

The imagery and the music worked so well together. That was one of the things DOS lacked a lot of for me, the inseparable bond between Shore's score and Jackson's visuals, but this was one of the scenes that nailed it for me and drove the emotion home.


Annatar598
Rohan


Feb 6 2014, 5:21pm

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It really does [In reply to] Can't Post

and you're right there aren't many such scenes.

However the scenes that are there are very powerful:

- Opening the hidden door
- Bilbo atop Mirkwood
- A Feast of Starlight
- Thorin's speech in Laketown
- The breaking of the company
- Bilbo holding the ring after decimating the ugly little insect
- The western guardroom
- The dwarves seeing the Lonely Mountain for the first time

There are quite a few in hindsight.


Avandel
Valinor

Feb 6 2014, 5:46pm

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beautifully said [In reply to] Can't Post

""If this is to end in fire...." line. For me, it is the heart of the film.""

I thought (later) it was desperately important to show something like that e.g. "realism" in that not all of the dwarves could have escaped that day, not just as a catalyst scene for Thorin. That Erebor was a home for many (since we never got the AUJ firefly scene - e.g. hearing what daily life was like in Erebor, it wasn't just a grand stone castle, it was a home for the Erebor dwarves).
Because it looks like women and different types of dwarves there, not warriors.

For me there are too many best scenes in this film - but this is one of THE best and the end line needed a voice like RA's to deliver it. I also think it's so poignant when re survival Thorin says, and the way he says it "some of us might". Oh, *bleep* that whole scene is another perfect, perfectly done scene! The was the bodies are shown, that goes straight to the heart.




MorgolKing
Rivendell

Feb 6 2014, 9:00pm

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One of the few good scenes... [In reply to] Can't Post

One of the few good scenes in the finale. I'm sure it will make it into my own fan edit.

A lot of emotional weight. After I saw what appeared to be a dwarf child/baby, it made me really hate Smaug.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 6 2014, 9:15pm

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It was strong EXCEPT, for its obvious internal inaccuracy. Obviously those deceased [In reply to] Can't Post

dwarves were NOT the last of their kin. We saw thousands of their kin wandering with Thorin in the wilderness.

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What did you think about this scene? I liked it a lot, (and the music is fantastic). I suppose that if the battle of the furnaces part would have been cut, this one would have been too.


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kilifili
The Shire


Feb 6 2014, 9:21pm

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Touching scene... [In reply to] Can't Post

Shocking and touching scene, especially after discovering the dwarf baby lying on its mothers dead body... Suddenly the whole quest gets a deeper meaning. It is not only about Thorin searching the Arkenstone, it is about a king reclaiming his kingdom, about the dwarves seeking for their home, about taking revenge for all the lost lifes. *goosebumps*

"Do you think she could have loved me...?"


Avandel
Valinor

Feb 6 2014, 9:23pm

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but I think that is a reference to those left behind [In reply to] Can't Post

e.g., it isn't specifically said, but I understood that as "the last kin in Erebor", e.g. the last of the dwarves to try to flee Erebor, the last ones left. Something akin, tho not obviously like, the chaos of Hurricane Katrina - Dale and Erebor were attacked suddenly, like any other natural (or man-made) disaster it was absolute chaos, and some died trying to flee - the "last of our kin".


Kim
Valinor


Feb 6 2014, 9:52pm

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One of the most powerful scenes for me [In reply to] Can't Post

The first time I saw this, my breath caught as it was so unexpected and abrupt, but what really caught me was the haunting sound of the voices overlaid with the music, calling back to the moment the dwarves were attacked and trapped. Suddenly Erebor felt much smaller and intimate, and the tragedy we saw in the AUJ prologue took on another layer.


Avandel
Valinor

Feb 6 2014, 10:03pm

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heartbreaking [In reply to] Can't Post

"Suddenly Erebor felt much smaller and intimate"

Yes. And just another moment of stellar performance for RA (and the whole cast, the look in their eyes). When Thorin swallows hard I hurt for him, and the expression on his face. Plus you can hear the faint, faint screams with the music. And the look on Dwalin's face.

And I often think this has to be one of the most terrible things Bilbo has ever seen, his whole life.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Feb 6 2014, 11:04pm

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An Echo to finding..."Balin's Tomb"...FOTR [In reply to] Can't Post

Bomby Immediately FLASHED that scene...

Which is gunna make BALIN & ORI & OIN's
Fate in
Moria sooo
MUCH
More
Moving upon viewing ever agian...

YourBroBomby.
Pirate


(This post was edited by Bombadil on Feb 6 2014, 11:06pm)


Elskidor
Rohan


Feb 7 2014, 1:00am

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loved it [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Avandel
Valinor

Feb 7 2014, 1:31am

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Except now I don't believe it [In reply to] Can't Post

For me, it was better that I hadn't seen Balin depicted. Because now I don't believe the Balin I "know" would have ever been interested in being Lord of Moria, and I can't see the Oin I know doing anything like that either. Ori perhaps might have left Erebor to record events.

Plus of course in LOTR to me Gandalf seems kind of cavalier at finding the tomb, when these were his traveling companions. I know what PJ & co. were trying to do, but now I'm not feeling it - I'll never look at that scene and feel Balin is there.


Salmacis81
Grey Havens


Feb 7 2014, 2:20am

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It is related to... [In reply to] Can't Post

...this idea that keeps popping up about the Dwarves not having a home, whilst simultaneously having a home in the Blue Mountains.


FoFo64
Rivendell


Feb 7 2014, 3:18am

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My problem with the scene... [In reply to] Can't Post

I like what the scene is trying to do emotionally, however the entire time I was distracted by one key thing that I'm surprised noone on these boards has mentioned... How in the world is it that these 60 year old dwarf corpses are in such perfectly intact and mummified condition whereas in Moria where the bodies are peesumably younger after the fall of Balin they look wayyy more decayed? That never made sense to me and is an inconsistency that has kept me from loving this scene. Can anyone please explain for my own peace of mind??

'It is a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing...such a little thing...' Boromir; Fellowship of the Ring Film


Elizabeth
Valinor


Feb 7 2014, 7:43am

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Moisture in the air. [In reply to] Can't Post

If Moria is moist (which it probably is, with that open well and probably subterranean springs) flesh would decay. If the atmosphere in the cavern where the Dwarf bodies are is dry, they'd mummify.








Noria
Rohan

Feb 7 2014, 1:12pm

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Balin [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree that the Balin we know now doesn't seem the type to try to take back Moria and call himself its lord. But I feel the same about the Balin of the book.

However, we and Balin still have to pass through Thorin's descent and death, not to mention the deaths of Fili and Kili. These events will have a huge impact on Balin and change him we know not how.

Maybe he just doesn't like Dain.Wink

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