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The Tauriel healing scene

Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Feb 2 2014, 11:50pm

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I don't think it has been said here, but as anyone noticed a certain similarity between the scene where Tauriel heals Kili from the Morgul wound with Athelas and the houses of healing in Lotr? Now I think the houses of healing chapter in Lotr was cut by PJ, so I wonder if he thought of an opportunity to putting some of the idea back into the films at this stage? This would be typical of PJ if this was the case.

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book Gandalf

Feb 3 2014, 12:14am

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wasnt the healing scene of frodo with aragorn and sam looking for athelas in the FOTR film the nod to the houses of healing scene from the book ?

its like a double nod to the missed out houses of healing chapter.

my advice, just put the damn original scene in the film in the first place lol

This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party.

Grey Havens

Feb 3 2014, 4:13am

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It's in the ROTK EE [In reply to] Can't Post

I see little similarity mainly because the Houses of Healing was about Aragorn much (aside from the obvious). Aragorn as the king and in folklore and myth the king's touch is healing, people wished to just be touched or touch a king's hand, sick were taken to the palace of put on the side of roads where the king would pass in hope he would touch them, etc. It's a very old thing, so Tolkien included it for Aragorn as another proof the king had returned.

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Grey Havens

Feb 3 2014, 5:07am

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the similarity lies in the fact that Book Faramir and Film Kili are wounded by poisoned arrows, and treated with athelas.

Grey Havens

Feb 4 2014, 3:24am

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"aside from the obvious". Smile Besides, Eowyn and Merry were also healed using athelas. The problem for me is that while Tolkien explicitly included the old folklore into his text: "The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known" , thus giving the healing its own value, the scene with Tauriel has no such value and to me is a poor attempt. As far as I remember Aragorn was granted the skill of Elven healing, to some extend. Tauriel showed up of nowhere, so her skills and history are just made up and this makes me dislike the invention even more. IMO.

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Feb 4 2014, 1:39pm

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I agree arithmancer [In reply to] Can't Post

Also, Tauriel is an elf, not a human.

In FotR, Aragorn says that Frodo needs "Elvish medicine".

In DoS, Oin makes mention of the legendary healing powers of the elves and Tauriel shows us this.

I see no reason that a Sylvan elf shouldn't have healing abilities.

The Shire

Feb 5 2014, 4:37am

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especially considering as Captain of the Guard she's out fighting spiders & orcs on a regular basis so she's bound to run into poisoned wounds in the course of her duties.

more to the point, just because half or more of the world forgets how or why that plant is important & useful, no way any Elvish group would.

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I see fire
Burning the trees
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Hollowing souls
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Feb 5 2014, 9:18am

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Oin is also the first person to mention that Kili needs athelas... [In reply to] Can't Post

Is there any evidence to suppose that Oin could have healed Kili himself once the herb had been obtained, or was Kili too far gone and only the hands of an Elf could have saved him?

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Feb 5 2014, 2:39pm

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Is there any evidence to suppose that Oin could have healed Kili himself once the herb had been obtained, or was Kili too far gone and only the hands of an Elf could have saved him?

I think it needed the Elven magic. Athelas isn't unknown as a healing plant to the people in Middle Earth, but as I recall they use it for headaches and things like that(lady in Houses of the Healing in LOTR mentioned it), so he was probably going to give it Kili for the pain and fever, like aspirin. Just anything to try and make him more comfortable.


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