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Was Legolas trying to kill Tauriel or something?
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Thorins_apprentice
Rohan


Jan 18 2014, 2:47pm

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Was Legolas trying to kill Tauriel or something? Can't Post

When Tauriel says,"i thought you were an orc" it is evident that Legolas had his bow drawn first,why?
Did he too,think she was an orc?(Highly doubt it, how many beautiful red head orcs are there)lol
Why on MiddleEarth was he in an attacking stance? I mean seriously,it makes no sense.

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Glorfindela
Valinor


Jan 18 2014, 3:09pm

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Most things relevant to Legolas in this film do not make sense. [In reply to] Can't Post

Waste of space…


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When Tauriel says,"i thought you were an orc" it is evident that Legolas had his bow drawn first,why?
Did he too,think she was an orc?(Highly doubt it, how many beautiful red head orcs are there)lol
Why on MiddleEarth was he in an attacking stance? I mean seriously,it makes no sense.



Nira
Lorien


Jan 18 2014, 3:18pm

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He was proving a point that she shouldn't go off alone. [In reply to] Can't Post

He obviously wasn't intending to shoot her.

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Noria
Rohan

Jan 18 2014, 3:37pm

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It makes complete sense, as Nira said. [In reply to] Can't Post

Legolas said that if he had been an Orc, Tauriel would have been dead. It was just part of his "you can't go after thirty Orcs (or whatever) alone." stance.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jan 18 2014, 3:48pm

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It all made perfect sense. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jan 18 2014, 3:48pm

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Agreed// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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dormouse
Half-elven


Jan 18 2014, 4:03pm

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It makes perfect sense... [In reply to] Can't Post

But I'm not sure that constantly trying to pick holes in the story makes any sense at all.


Noria
Rohan

Jan 18 2014, 4:04pm

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LOL Dormouse// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Glorfindela
Valinor


Jan 18 2014, 4:13pm

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Sorry, but some people are less than enamoured with the non-canon characters [In reply to] Can't Post

… and are bitterly disappointed with the knock-on effects they are having on canon characters and story lines. Thorin, the major character in the story along with Bilbo and Gandalf, was barely visible in the film; Beorn, a key canon character, was shortchanged, as was Thranduil, in favour of banal, badly filmed and acted CGI action scenes involving Legolas. I am not 'constantly trying to pick holes in the story', but have real issues with Legolas in particular, and the way his addition has impacted the story. My arguments make as much 'sense' as do statements that DoS is faultless, etc., and I have a right to express my opinion.


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But I'm not sure that constantly trying to pick holes in the story makes any sense at all.



Rowan Greene
Lorien


Jan 18 2014, 4:20pm

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Agreed... [In reply to] Can't Post

Except substitute the non-canon Tauriel and her story arc as my primary issue. Wink

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… and are bitterly disappointed with the knock-on effects they are having on canon characters and story lines. Thorin, the major character in the story along with Bilbo and Gandalf, was barely visible in the film; Beorn, a key canon character, was shortchanged, as was Thranduil, in favour of banal, badly filmed and acted CGI action scenes involving Legolas. I am not 'constantly trying to pick holes in the story', but have real issues with Legolas in particular, and the way his addition has impacted the story. My arguments make as much 'sense' as do statements that DoS is faultless, etc., and I have a right to express my opinion.


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But I'm not sure that constantly trying to pick holes in the story makes any sense at all.





dormouse
Half-elven


Jan 18 2014, 4:27pm

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No, you misunderstand me... [In reply to] Can't Post

My comment was addressed directly to a particular run of posts that keep cropping up, picking holes in often inconsequential moments in the film with no theme or thought pattern behind them - questions apparently coming up at random.

That's quite different from someone like yourself, with a clear line of objection to something in film which you very reasonably express in threads where it's relevant. You're not picking holes in the story, you're expressing your feelings about one particular storyline and of course you have a right to do that, when did I say you didn't? My post wasn't in answer to yours so I'm not sure why you've taken it so personally, but if you felt that it meant you, then I'm truly sorry.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jan 18 2014, 4:31pm

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Still doesn't change the fact... [In reply to] Can't Post

that including Legolas in Hobbit made perfect sense, given that part of it takes place in his father's realm. Wink


Glorfindela
Valinor


Jan 18 2014, 4:32pm

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Oh, sorry, Dormouse – we normally do agree on things! [In reply to] Can't Post

Apologies for taking things the wrong way and thinking the comment was aimed at me (at least I have a bit of an excuse, in that I am recovering from an illness!). Please just ignore me and my blathering.


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My comment was addressed directly to a particular run of posts that keep cropping up, picking holes in often inconsequential moments in the film with no theme or thought pattern behind them - questions apparently coming up at random.

That's quite different from someone like yourself, with a clear line of objection to something in film which you very reasonably express in threads where it's relevant. You're not picking holes in the story, you're expressing your feelings about one particular storyline and of course you have a right to do that, when did I say you didn't? My post wasn't in answer to yours so I'm not sure why you've taken it so personally, but if you felt that it meant you, then I'm truly sorry.



dormouse
Half-elven


Jan 18 2014, 4:34pm

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No problem! :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Rowan Greene
Lorien


Jan 18 2014, 4:38pm

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My only issue with Legolas... [In reply to] Can't Post

is how he was portrayed. I personally have a hard time reconciling the DoS Legolas with the LoTR Legolas. Unsure

All things considered, I feel including Legolas in TH movies did more harm than good.


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that including Legolas in Hobbit made perfect sense, given that part of it takes place in his father's realm. Wink




Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jan 18 2014, 4:51pm

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I didn't find him that much different. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Altaira
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Jan 18 2014, 5:19pm

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That's how I took it. [In reply to] Can't Post


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It was just part of his "you can't go after thirty Orcs (or whatever) alone." stance.


From his vantage point (which was similar to ours), he could see that she knew he was there and was slowly drawing her bow. Raising his own bow before she had time to turn around helped prove his point that it could just as easily have been an orc.

I can't think of a specific example from another movie atm, but it's basically the same as someone who's a better, or more seasoned fighter taking on a someone less experienced and ending up holding a knife to their throat or maneuvering them so they're on the groud with their arm behind their back. They don't intend to really harm them. They're just proving a point.



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Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Jan 18 2014, 5:35pm

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FotR [In reply to] Can't Post

The scene in which Arwen finds Aragorn and the hobbits in the wilderness comes to mind.

"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951


elaen32
Gondor


Jan 18 2014, 5:51pm

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Yes, I thought of that too [In reply to] Can't Post

"What's this? A Ranger, caught off his guard?" There is an apparent parallel between these two scenes- I don't know whether it was coincidence or intended, but the theme is the same.


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Altaira
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Jan 18 2014, 6:58pm

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Exactly. Thanks! // [In reply to] Can't Post

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Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





Thyia
Bree

Jan 18 2014, 7:14pm

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Parallel... [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, I immediately thought this scene was absolutely intended to be a parallel of the Arwen/Aragorn scene in FOTR. Definitely the same theme. I enjoyed the interplay, he's teasing her, but also making his point.


Rickster
Rohan

Jan 18 2014, 8:51pm

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It made sence... but it was a bit sad [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Jan 18 2014, 9:23pm

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No problem! [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder what the filmmakers are trying to accomplish by drawing parallels between so many different scenarios in the films. I suppose we will only really be able to know when we can watch all of them as a complete set.

"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Jan 18 2014, 9:45pm

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He is pointing out that she is not paying attention to her surroundings [In reply to] Can't Post

If he had been an Orc, she would be dead.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Glorfindela
Valinor


Jan 18 2014, 11:14pm

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Perhaps? [In reply to] Can't Post

They are thinking that if some things worked in LOTR, they can use parallel scenes in the Hobbit, rather than trying to make up entirely new scenes?


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I wonder what the filmmakers are trying to accomplish by drawing parallels between so many different scenarios in the films. I suppose we will only really be able to know when we can watch all of them as a complete set.


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