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Riven Delve
Tol Eressea
Jan 15 2014, 8:51pm
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Can anyone make out what the voices say?
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In Mirkwood, before Thorin says, "Quiet! We're being watched!" voices can be heard whispering in the background. Can anyone understand what they're saying, if it's actual words? (I am assuming it's the spiders we hear, and not Elves...) I'm asking because I could swear I heard "Tomnoddy" in my viewing today, and I want to know whether it was just my imagination!
"Our perennial spiritual and psychological task is to look at things familiar until they become unfamiliar again." --G. K. Chesterton
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arithmancer
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Jan 15 2014, 9:23pm
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I have not heard that specifically, but when Bilbo twangs the webs up in the tree, initially, you can hear the word "Attercop" afterwards (quietly). So it would not be surprising if "Tomnoddy" also made it in.
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IDLookout
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Jan 15 2014, 9:53pm
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That's the sort of thing I like to see in the Hobbit films.
Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins, He's only three feet tall. Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins, The bravest little hobbit of them all. -Leonard Nimoy
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painjoiker
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Jan 16 2014, 6:36am
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I don't know if this is helpful or not,
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But in Norway the film is subbed, and the attercop-part is subbed but the voices Thorin respond to is not subbed Usually it means that it's nonsense but I remember a couple of lines in the background of AUJ not being subbed in theater but subbed on the blu-ray
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Rohirrim Rider
Rivendell
Jan 16 2014, 11:38am
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I only noticed it on my third viewing, and that was also the first time I noticed the first "Attercop" echoes from when Bilbo twangs the web. So perhaps my mind is translating the similar noises Thorin hears to just be the same but I'm sure I picked up "Attercop" (and on my fourth viewing as well). Of course, Tomnoddy" could be in there as well, it's a wide echo-y sound that could have a couple of phrases bouncing around in it.
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Riven Delve
Tol Eressea
Jan 16 2014, 12:44pm
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Although it's a long time to wait until the DVD/BR comes out... Guess I'll have to go listen for it in theaters again--poor me!
"Our perennial spiritual and psychological task is to look at things familiar until they become unfamiliar again." --G. K. Chesterton
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burgahobbit
Rohan
Jan 16 2014, 2:52pm
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Why would the spiders say Attercop?
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I thought it was offensive to spiders.
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Riven Delve
Tol Eressea
Jan 16 2014, 3:29pm
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It's true that no spider has ever liked being called Attercop
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but Tomnoddy of course is insulting to anybody.
"Our perennial spiritual and psychological task is to look at things familiar until they become unfamiliar again." --G. K. Chesterton
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arithmancer
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Jan 16 2014, 3:29pm
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That is, fans who will go back and watch the film several times in theatres and/or pause and replay scenes on our DVDs in order to find these little things. Which I am sure go right past the more "general audience" viewers, thus not raising such questions in their minds. (I only caught it after being told where to listen for it on this forum, and that on my third viewing).
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entmaiden
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Jan 16 2014, 5:42pm
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however, it's supposed to be a gross insult, so it only makes sense if the spiders are aiming the insult toward Bilbo.
(This post was edited by entmaiden on Jan 16 2014, 5:43pm)
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Na Vedui
Rohan
Jan 16 2014, 6:49pm
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if there's something more in the EE here, i.e. Bilbo singing his rude rhymes at the spiders, like in the book, and so the spiders are all indignant afterwards ("Attercop indeed!" "Who's he calling a tomnoddy?") That would be good.
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burgahobbit
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Jan 17 2014, 12:18am
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I'd love that! Perhaps the soundtrack has a clue. Flies and Spiders is one of the extended pieces...hmmm... @ arithmancer, Yeah it is amusing and I love picking up on these little things or hearing others do so but I just don't think this one makes much sense. It's like an unseen orc startling a bunch of men in lake-town and them suddenly whispering a bunch of rude names about themselves as they look for it, "idiot, moron" (excuse me). But I guess maybe its just a weird part of spider culture?
"I've found it is the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk, that keeps the darkness at bay. Simple acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps it is because I’m afraid, and he gives me courage.” - Gandalf the Grey. "Do not be afraid Mithrandir, if ever you should need my help, I will come." - Lady Galadriel.
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