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It's a complicated plot...


Jan 13, 11:16am

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The Arthurian legends began in Britain, but were carried to Brittany by British (=Ancient British/Celtic) refugees after the Anglo-Saxons and other tribes invaded Britain from the east after the departure of the Romans at the start of the so-called "Dark Ages".

For historical reasons, it's the French-Breton versions of the legends that were first written down, but the oral tales they are based on originated on the island of Great Britain. Various places in both Britain and France are claimed as the sites of the stories, and I assume that's because as in many legends, events become attached to local sites where the stories are told. So I can easily imagine that Tolkien might have imagined that the "original" Broceliande (which I think he spelled as the more anglicized 'Broseliand') might have been in Wales or Cornwall, with the legend carried to Britanny later.

The legends were only written down after the Norman invasion of Britain in 1066, and as we know, Tolkien considered that their true nature had been lost because by then they were both Frenchified and Christianised. I'm guessing that his 'Broseliand' may be an early attempt to reclaim the ancient British legend before he decided to move to other mythologies for his main inspiration.

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings

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Beleriand Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Jan 11, 11:24pm
    Further to this.. Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Jan 12, 12:36am
    No connection - as far as the Boss knows squire Send a private message to squire Jan 12, 12:38am
        Thanks for this - Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Jan 12, 2:01am
    The fate of Beleriand (semi-OT) Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jan 12, 7:24am
    Probably meant to invoke those legends Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Jan 12, 10:21pm
        So the plot thickens Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Jan 13, 1:26am
            It's a complicated plot... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jan 13, 11:16am
                This .... Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Jan 13, 10:42pm


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