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Our Updated Draft 3 DOS Geeky Observation List!! Can't Post

Finally! Here is the 3rd draft of our DOS Geeky Observation List; but it's actually our first full list movie list. I've tried to get this updated while DOS is still in many theatres; but between the holidays and being kinda sick this week, I wasn't as fast as I hoped :) Please look it over and share any editing, corrections, additions, etc. you find. A fresh pair or two of eyes would be very welcome :)

If you have Observations (Obs) that you've offered before and they don't show up here, there are several reasons for it. They may be been moved to the Tidbit Geeky Observation List (which is in the works); they're still there, but have been edited/combined with similar Obs; because they were from trailers/blogs and are no longer relevant to the films (ie. no Thrain), they were respectfully removed.

Please remember that these lists don't include nitpicky, negative Observations.

Bring on any additional Obs you've discovered!!! Now that the major list is established, future updates should be available faster... especially if contributions are in order and are finished enough to just cut and paste. When the list gets to be over 500 items, it's not quick to scan through *giggle* but it's a thrill to see how it's grown!!! Thank you SO MUCH to everyone who has contributed so far and who share their treasure-finds now :D

Please do not add your new Obs to the old collections thread. I'm going to retire that once (since it's about 20 pages away now) and will be taking new ones here. If you want to print this out, I'd strongly suggest cutting and pasting the list, making the font smaller and check to see that it's single-spaced. In my word file, it's 14 pages long!!

I've attached the list as a reply to this opening post. Ready? Set! GO!!



6th draft of TH:AUJ Geeky Observation List - November 28, 2013
2nd draft of TH:DOS Geeky Observation List - Novembe 28, 2013



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"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."

I'm SO HAPPY these new films take me back to that magical world!!



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The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug Geeky Observations List

1/2/2014



'This will probably get me struck off The One Ring party list but I am enjoying deviating from the book' - Peter Jackson.

THE PRANCING PONY, BREE
1. Cameo: Peter Jackson finally takes a bite out of that carrot
2. As Thorin enters the Pony, he brushes past Gandalf at the bar to the left.
3. There's a black cat at the Prancing Pony (mirroring LotR)
4. There's a Pippin-looking hobbit being lifted onto a stool at the bar
5. The drink in Thorin's mug looks like the same white mead Beorn serves them.
6. Thorin lays his still lit pipe in a shallow dish of soil or sand next to him while he eats. It's a rudimentary ash tray
7. Thorin has his sword propped against the table and ready to go.
8. Gandalf orders the same food as Thorin.
9. The contract on Thorin's head Gandalf took from the enemy he met on the Greenway is shaped like wing and is made of leather
10. The suspicious characters overhear Gandalf and Thorin talking about Erebor and the Arkenstone
11. Cameo: Peter Jackson's daughter Katie is the barmaid serving Gandalf and Thorin

12 MONTHS LATER
12. The orcs are searching for Thorin and Company in the hills by moonlight.
13. Azog seems to sense Bilbo's general direction. He looks right over where the hobbit is hiding.
14. First glimpse of Beorn features him roaring at the Misty Mountains.
15. As Bilbo reports to the Company, daylight is beginning to show along the mountaintops
16. Bifur is nodding very enthusiastically as Gandalf mentions how he always knew Bilbo would be a good burglar. He seems to be interacting directly with the conversation at hand, rather than being lost in his own little world.
17. When Gandalf cries out for them to hurry, Bofur grabs Bombur's coat to pull him along
18. Beorn's meadows are full of different colored lupine. The field of flowers they run through on the way to Beorn's house is obviously his bee fields. Nice little nod to the books.
19. Gandalf wants to get to Beorn's house for safety; but is not clear if it's for protection from orcs or from Beorn?
20. Gandalf tells them they need to get to Beorn's house, but no orcs are seen until night.
21. The orcs seem to move in daytime through the forest - but that is because it is more shaded
22. As the Company makes a mad-dash for Beorn's home, they cross an open plain and what looks like the Old Forest Road
23. Bombur outruns everyone as they race to safety
24. The orcs show within sight of Beorn's house where the Company is resting, but are deterred by Beorn in bear form.
25. Azog doesn't flinch when a frothing warg gets in his face
26. Azog and Bolg both walk upright, stately and proud... just like Thorin

BEORN'S HALL
27. The dwarves pile into the closed door and struggle until Thorin pushes through and lifts the latch
28. There are beehives lined up in front of Beorn's entrance
29. Balin and Gandalf are the last ones through the door
30. The Company is trying to blockade themselves in Beorn's home with the bear trying to break through the doorway. The inside of the door has braces and a board to block the door strong enough to withstand something as BIG as Beorn himself!
31. Beorn's door is latched BOTH inside and out- possibly to prevent the bear from getting in and the animals from getting out?
32. Ori defends against Beorn with his slingshot.
33. Bilbo draws Sting and is ready to fight the giant bear trying to break through the door.
34. Dori tells Ori to come away from the door when Beorn is on the prowl outside his house.
35. Balin is studying the yak in the main room, then shakes his head in disbelief
36. Bifur is carefully checking out Beorn's home
37. Beorn walks away from his home allowing the Company to stay and rest
38. Beorn clearly has some scars across his nose in bear form as he is shown patrolling his home at night.
39. One of the few times you see Bilbo with his vest unbuttoned is when he's sleeping at Beorn's
40. Beorn has a chessboard with carved wooden pieces
  • Bears = Kings
  • Eagles = Queens
  • Squirrels = Knights
  • Weasels = Bishops
  • Coiled Snakes = Rooks
  • Hedgehogs = Pawns

41. The chess game is made up of light and dark wood
42. The chess game is set up and ready to play
43. Beorn's white mice run about amongst the chessmen.
44. Sting is standing against the wall above Bilbo's head
45. Bilbo is twiddling his thumbs as he lays wide awake
46. Sleepless Bilbo feels the Ring calling and looks charmed by it
47. Beorn has unlatched and come in a back door at the opposite end of the house from the barricaded front entrance
48. Bilbo sees Beorn quietly walk into the house
49. When Beorn shape-shifts from bear to man, he is naked (except for the shackle). When Bilbo sees him enter the house that night, he has trousers on. When Bilbo wakes up, Beorn has added a woven cloth vest to his outfit.
50. Bilbo is woken as he's scrutinized by 2 giant bees
51. When Bilbo wakes in the morning, the dwarves are already eating just like in the book
52. Beorn's table has honey cakes, honeycomb, fruit, bread, cheese and grain with mead to drink
53. There are beeswax candles all over Beorn's home.
54. Beorn's animal stalls are surprisingly clean, considering.
55. There is a stone fireplace in Bard's house that is right in the middle of the main living area.
56. On either side of Beorn's mantelpiece next to the table, there is a messy but large stack of books and some resting against the chimney.
57. There's a shelf above the table suspended from the rafters
58. There are blankets and other items hanging up in the rafters
59. The dwarves do not smoke their pipes in Beorn's house, yet they smoke in every other "resting" scene so far in the movies.
60. Thorin, Balin and Gandalf don't sit at Beorn's table.
61. When Beorn starts talking about Thranduil, Thorin's demeanor changes as he turns and walks away
62. Beorn is so big even he needs to duck his head under a beam.
63. Beorn picks up a white mouse Bofur brushes off his arm, before speaking about how he doesn't like dwarves partly because they do not value those they deem insignificant.
64. When the Company leaves, Beorn tells them that they had better leave "while there is still light left",
65. The Company doesn't know Azog and his orcs have been called to Dol Guldur, although scouts could be left behind

COMING TO MIRKWOOD
66. When the Company rides off on Beorn's ponies, Bofur and Gloin share one.
67. The ponies that the Company rides from Beorn's house are purebred Gypsy Vanners -- and are actually horses not ponies!
68. Thorin clearly has a quiver of arrows on his back as he gets on his pony to ride to Mirkwood from Beorn's.
69. The ponies seem to have all cloth tack. Gandalf's horse has a lovely knotted cloth halter and reins in grey and tan fabric. No leather from Beorn!
70. The elven gate in the beginning of the Mirkwood has arches by it that are very similar to the antlers design on Thranduil's throne.
71. Bilbo can sense the disease lying on Mirkwood.
72. When Gandalf tells the dwarves to send the ponies back to their master, he sees Beorn in bear form looking over at them from afar, just like Bilbo did in the book.
73. Gandalf tells Bilbo the way around Mirkwood is 200 miles to the north or 400 miles to the south
74. There's a pedestal and overgrown statue at the entrance of Mirkwood's elven path
75. The pedestal is similar to the stone one in Elrond's study (where the White Council was held in FotR).
76. Could the Elven statue be Thranduil's Queen (wife)?
77. It looks like periwinkle is growing over the statue
78. The marks on the statue are like those Radagast saw at Dol Guldur.
79. As they stand at the beginning of the elven path, Bilbo responds to the thrumming Ring and reacts when Gandalf uncovers the scrawling graffiti on the elven statue.
80. Galadriel speaks to Gandalf psychically and sends him to the High Fells

MIRKWOOD
81. Bilbo struggles when he tries to tell Gandalf about finding the Ring
82. It starts to rain as Gandalf rides away, but it's not raining in the Forest
83. The Company takes several minutes to pack up with the supplies Beorn has sent with them. Everyone is carrying supplies
84. When they enter Mirkwood, Kili and Dwalin are carrying long green sheaves. By the time they lose the path they're gone.
85. Bilbo is carry a pack slung over his left shoulder with a lot of padding where its rope rests next to his neck. The other should has a rope supporting 2 bottles lashed together
86. Bombur has 2 bundles
87. Fili is carrying coils of rope
88. Nori is carrying a round basket on his back
89. The path is made up of large square flagstones
90. There are mushrooms growing on the base of the trees that look like smaller versions of the mushrooms growing in the Goblin-tunnels
91. Mirkwood is trippy with Mushroom spores.
92. The Elven Road is a protected path through a corrupted forest. And if that doesn't scream Yavanna, I don't know what does.
93. When they lose the path, they start to hallucinate and become more disoriented
94. The sickness on Mirkwood causes Bilbo to hallucinate as his walking feet look backwards and he turns to find Dori looks like the hobbit as he's following himself.
95. Bilbo sits despondently as the dwarves wander looking for the path, but he and others still have their supplies
96. Bilbo sits next to the webbing and plucks at it twice causing it to telegraph all through the area
97. When Bilbo pulls on the webs in Mirkwood, we hear a faint whisper saying the word "Attercop" (a book reference).
98. Bilbo is the most clear-headed when he realizes they're all under the spell of the Forest, though Thorin hears voices and senses they're being watched
99. When Bilbo stops to climb the tree, he's not carrying his water bottles anymore and doesn't have the ropes over his shoulder for carrying his supplies
100. There are hardly any bundles carried by the dwarves
101. As Bilbo climbs the tree, the thrumming from the Ring gets louder and louder, but stops as soon as he clears the treetops
102. Bilbo climbs to the top of the trees and enjoys cool breeze, sunlight, and the butterflies.
103. The trees where Bilbo sees the butterflies are oak. In the book, the butterflies he sees are related to Purple Emperors, which live with oak trees.
104. Bilbo can see something huge breaking through the trees making its way towards the Company
105. Bilbo's hair and outfit matches the colours of the leaves
106. When Bilbo comes down from the top of the trees and catches his foot on the web, he says, "Oh, come on..." then falls getting caught by the web
107. Bilbo is being tracked by a huge spider.
108. Bilbo and the dwarves are spun in the web like Frodo by Shelob
109. Wrapped in spider web, you can make out Bofur's hat and Balin's shoe
110. Bilbo pulls the Ring from his left pocket and put it on the middle-finger of his right hand
111. When Bilbo puts on the Ring, he can understand spider-speech.
112. Bilbo distracts the spiders by tossing a piece of wood to one side, and they take off after it.
113. The spider Bilbo attacks cries out that it stings; and Bilbo instantly dubs his sword "Sting".
114. As the dwarves drop to the ground, the webs soften their fall
115. Dwalin punches out one of the attacking spiders
116. When Bilbo loses the Ring and frantically searches, he's suddenly drawn right to it.
117. The old pale crab-like spider wheezes in its old age
118. It looks like a spider graveyard. There are more dead and whitened spiders lying about than Bilbo killed. They're probably victims of past elven purging attacks
119. Bilbo is ruthless as he attacks the old (least threatening) spider when it touches the Ring. After killing it, he holds the Ring up and claims it as "mine"
120. When Bilbo realizes what the Ring is doing, he's horrified by what he's done and deeply upset.
121. Kili begs Tauriel several times for a dagger to kill a spider approaching, but she turns and throws her dagger into it and kills it quickly.
122. Tauriel saves Kili from several spiders.
123. When the spiders are killed, they curl up their legs-just like real life spiders
124. Legolas hands his bow to another elf while the dwarves are being searched
125. As the elves search the dwarves for weapons, Fili has loads hidden on him

HALLS OF THE WOODLAND REALM
126. There's a long, narrow bridge to cross when going to the Woodland Halls. Part of their defense.
127. The dwarves are chained together as they're led to Thranduil's caves
128. Mirkwood is dark, but the forest surrounding Thranduil's kingdom's entrance gate is very well lit and still has birds singing--an indication that the darkness has not fully reached his domain yet
129. We see Bilbo run to keep up with the elves from his POV as he slips through the doors as they close
130. Legolas senses something as they pass through the entrance to Thranduil's Hall as Bilbo rushes to catch up.
131. When Tauriel puts Kili in his cell, he's still wearing his archer's 2-fingered glove
132. Ori and Dori are in a cell together
133. Gloin and Oin are in a cell together
134. As Fili is being locked up, the Elf guard finds yet another knife on him that they missed when they frisked him in the wood.
135. Kili asks Tauriel why she isn't searching him, stating he could have anything down his trousers, to which she replied, "Or nothing." Perhaps her memory served her well that he asked her for a dagger during the spider attack; obviously indicating he didn't have any weapons on him.
136. Elves do not believe in guardrails
137. The Realm's Halls have columns and all the arches carved to look like trees
138. The dwarves lose their weapons either at the spider attack or when they are imprisoned in Thranduil's halls.
139. There's a pattern of a tree on the landing at the foot of Thranduil's throne
140. The only time Thranduil wears his crown is while he's questioning Thorin
141. Thranduil understands what Thorin says to him in dwarvish.
142. Balin becomes the one to explain what's going on (exposition) when Gandalf isn't around.
143. As we see Thranduil's Hall from the dungeon to his throne, we get a perspective of how open everything is
144. Thranduil has 8 guards around him as he interrogates Thorin. Later, when he questions the orc, there are only 2 guards.
145. From what Thorin said, not only did Thranduil turn away from the dwarves of Erebor while under attack, he also turned them away when they came to him for help
146. As Bilbo crept, supposedly unseen into Thranduil's chamber, Thranduil turns and looks directly towards him and says, "I know you are there. Why do you linger in the shadows?" Bilbo looks startled but then Tauriel comes around the corner and he relaxes a bit.
147. Thranduil's choice to say "linger in the shadows" was interesting, since when Bilbo has the Ring on he is in the "shadow world". Maybe Thranduil COULD see Bilbo!
148. Thranduil has "Galadriel eyes" -- about 5 twinkling bright highlights in his stare.
149. Thranduil hears Bilbo walking away as Tauriel begins to speak with him.
150. Tauriel blushes when Thranduil tells her Legolas thought she fought well against the spiders, but seems surprised when he thinks Legolas fancies her.
151. Thranduil's chamber where Tauriel reported to him is clearly his private chambers. You can see a bed with red blankets on it in the background, and there is also a pool of water in front of a balcony of sorts-possibly his baths?
152. Tauriel is chafing against Thranduil's isolationist policy.
153. Thranduil has contempt for what is going on outside his realm.
154. Thranduil has a Katana-like sword.
155. Thranduil's Elven army's armor resembles the Lórien armor at Helm's Deep.
156. The standard Elven soldiers seem to be using the same bow as Tauriel.
157. Legolas has his two white knifes from LotR, but his bow seems to be different.
158. Legolas doesn't reveal Orcrist to Thranduil, who would have most likely kept it for himself...too.
159. Thranduil has the reputation of being the greatest warrior in Middle-earth, but chooses not to use his force.
160. There is a river that runs through the gap between the dwarf jail cells. Possibly the head of the river that the barrels float down.
161. Kili has fun teasing Tauriel like he teased Bilbo when the Company first made camp.
162. Kili has a runestone given to him by his mother that Tauriel is quite interested in, and he says his mother gave it to him for luck. Could Fili have one as well?
163. When Tauriel steps on Kili's runestone, it's very much the same as when Thorin steps on the Key to the Hidden Door. In both cases it saves these objects from falling out of sight.
164. Kili's runestone appears to read "INIKHDE"
165. Tauriel is fascinated by Kili, and Kili is smitten with her.
166. During the discussion Kili and Tauriel were having when Kili is telling her about the Fire Moon, he mentions they were an escort for some merchants from Ered Luin. It was a nice glimpse into the sort of stuff they were doing BEFORE this Quest to Erebor started.
167. The Elves of Mirkwood are typically of the Sylvan variety, and within the film context, Tauriel mentions that her folk love starlight the best. That points to Varda/Elbereth Gilthoniel.
168. The dwarves have apparently lost their pipes and weed as well as their weapons.
169. Except for Thorin smoking at the Prancing Pony, the dwarves do not smoke at all during this part of their Quest
170. Some of the dwarves (such as Fili and Thorin) still had their coats on when they were put in their cells. However by the time they escaped, the company were all reduced to tunics and trousers, and some even were down to just trousers and their long underwear (plus quite dirty) possibly indicating it's hot in the cells or they were a far longer time in the cells than it appears to be? Or perhaps they took off their outerwear to sleep.
171. The elves didn't take everything. Oin still has a bag, and Balin and Gloin still have their money pouches.
172. Bilbo the Burglar has arrived. He's successfully stolen the keys
173. Nori reaches through the bars and pats Bilbo on the shoulder
174. Elves snore! (Well, they do if they're drunk, it seems).
175. There is cheese and bread among the food and wine on the drunken elves' table.

BARREL ESCAPE
176. Bilbo and Thorin are getting better at communicating. When the dwarves balk at getting in the barrels, one look from the hobbit and Thorin tells them to do as they're told.
177. Bifur seems a bit frozen, and doesn't climb into his barrel until after Dwalin gives him a thumping sort of shove
178. Bilbo does a little jig when the barrels and dwarves have disappeared.
179. The wine cellar trap door's handle went back in place. Bilbo only had to stand on the end to make it go down, he didn't have to pull the handle
180. When the barrels are let loose and Bilbo finally catches up with them, we see that Thorin has been holding the barrels back until he got there.
181. Bilbo is clinging to Nori's barrel when they first start down the Forest River.
182. Nori is reaching out to hold onto Bilbo when it get rough
183. When the company escapes in the barrels and Tauriel orders her guards to chase after them, she shouts "Tolo hí!" ("Come!")
184. Tauriel's eyes glow with a strange light when the dwarves get away
185. When the barrels are trapped at the gate and an orc attacks the dwarves, Bilbo kills one with Sting from where he's still clinging from the side of a barrel.
186. The claws on Bolg's shoulder look like bear claws.
187. Bolg's claws and other bits of defense are fused to his shoulders, chest and back.
188. Fili throws a knife to kill an Orc attacking Kili. The question is, did he get it from an Orc, or was it one the Elves missed when they disarmed him?
189. Kili is shot in the leg by Bolg with a Morgul-poisoned arrow; the same poison Frodo endured from the Morgul-blade.
190. When Kili jumps back into a floating barrel, the arrow shaft sticking out of his leg breaks off
191. Tauriel steps on orcs heads to get up the wall.
192. The dwarves are fighting while rushing downriver in the barrels.
193. Legolas, Surfer Boy. He arrives spider-surfing, then goes orc surfing, then dwarf-in-a-barrel surfing
194. While Bombur has been beached and his barrel is rolling over the orcs, Bilbo can be seen pacing him on top of a barrel in the water. Dwalin can be seen in his barrel front of Bilbo from both Bombur's and Bilbo's pov.
195. Bombur and his barrel end up on land where he becomes a fighting machine
196. When Bombur is thrown through the air in his barrel, he snatches an orc axe midair.
197. After turning into a one-dwarf wrecking machine, Bombur runs and jumps into an empty barrel in front of Dwalin. So his whole time fighting on the beach, Bombur kept up with the Company racing by in the barrels
198. Legolas stands on Oin and Dwalin's head, then perches 1-footed on Dwalin's head
199. Legolas uses the dwarves' heads as stepping stones across the River... several times.
200. The Dwarves allow some to step up and on their heads to get at the Weapons, just like "out of the Frying Pan",
"Goblin town chase" and of course Legolas' transfer across the Stream.
201. There are at least 15 barrels released in the water. One for each dwarf, one Bombur jumps into after destroying his, and one that Bilbo clings to during the Orc raid
202. The dwarves pass their acquired weapons from one to the other.
203. Dwalin head-butts one of the orcs and takes its axe.
204. Bilbo finally crawls up on top of an empty barrel.
205. Legolas slides down the stone ledge on the back of an orc like he slid down the stairs on a shield at Helm's Deep
206. Legolas is fighting with Orcrist while Thorin is using an orc sword during the barrel escape.
207. Thorin throws his axe and hits the orc about to kill Legolas, but Legolas didn't know it. Thorin throws away his weapon to save Legolas.
208. Does Thorin notice that Legolas is using his sword, Orcrist? It's probably why Thorin growls/yells at Legolas as he floats away after saving Legolas' life.
209. Tauriel shoots and hits an arrow heading for Legolas.

WOODLAND REALM
210. Legolas is not impressed when Thranduil kills the orc prisoner, breaking his word to set him free
211. Thorin accused Thranduil of lacking all honour. Thranduil proves it again when he lies to the orc. He betrays the highest and the lowest
212. Thranduil only has 2 elven guards standing by while questioning the captured orc while having 8 when he interrogated Thorin
213. After Thranduil kills the orc, the 2 elven guards go up to take care of the body
214. Thranduil wears many different outfits.
215. The only time Thranduil wears his crown is while he's questioning Thorin
216. When Legolas tells the door guard Thranduil's orders, Tauriel is already outside - so it isn't really clear that she actually disobeyed orders until she chooses not to deny it.

THE HIGH FELLS
217. Gandalf comes to the High Fells tomb.
218. The hilt of the sword Gandalf is holding in Dol Guldur looks like the sword mounted on the wall in Bag End's den.
219. It looks like there are 9 levels when Radagast and Gandalf look down the pit. One for each of the Nazgul?
220. All of the iron bars look like they've been pulled out from the outside or pushed out from the inside
221. Radagast has 3 birds nesting under his hat.
222. Radagast must have sent his birds as lookouts if they've returned after meeting up with Gandalf
223. Gandalf and Radagast have left the tombs and are having a conversation about next steps. In the background an old, moss-covered statue of a fat-looking man in a "Thinker" sort of pose can be seen. A random bit suggesting the ancient history of Middle-earth.
224. Radagast reminds Gandalf of his duty to the world and not just his friends.

MEETING BARD
225. As the Dwarves arrive by barrel at the waterborne human habitation within trading distance of Erebor, so the orcs have tracked them. In turn, the orcs are pursued by our nimble Elf.
226. Bombur pushes Bifur's barrel towards shore
227. When they get beached, Oin's trumpet has been tapped open a bit. He must have worked on it with Gloin while in prison.
228. The Company has lost all of its hair ornaments
229. Ori holds back Dori when it looks like he wants to charge Bard when he scoffs at them being merchants
230. Bilbo is always sure they can make it to the Mountain and never thinks of giving up.
231. When the Company is discovered by Bard, Balin shows his talent for negotiating and engagement.
232. Balin asks how many bairns (children) Bard has.
233. Balin has 14 piles of coins, but says they are 10 coins short. It's hard to tell how many coins are in each pile. It looks like 3 in a few piles and 2 in the rest.
234. Gloin refusing to hand over money was a reference to him being responsible for financing the quest. Looks like he didn't want to part with the last of his gold!
235. The bow of the boat Bard is rowing that the dwarves are in comes up to a decorative shape that looks somewhat like a dragon's head.

LAKE-TOWN
236. Lake-town's streets are level with the waterline, giving it the disheveled look. A labyrinth of gimcracks, walkways, bridges and buildings that stoop beneath the burden of the heavy roofs.
237. When Alfrid picks up a fish from Bard's barrels, it uncovers Bombur's eye, but Alfrid doesn't notice.
238. Alfrid goes to toss the contents of the Master's chamber pot out the window, but the window begins to shut so it splashes all over the window and seat beneath.
239. There's excrement on Alfrid's shoulder after his only-partly-successful emptying of the Master's chamber pot out the window.
240. Alfrid takes a swig of the Master's brandy before taking it to him.
241. There are at least two, maybe three, chickens in a cage in the Master's study. They appear to be White-crested Black Polish hens.
242. When the Company comes out from under the fish, Bifur's axe imbedded in his head has a fish impaled on it.
243. Cameos: The Master's spy with the eye patch is Steven Colbert. When he taps twice on the wall, his 2 sons, John and Peter are the two children that run by and throw a lever that rings a bell. This signals a man to light a pipe which signals 2 people in a boat to drop their fishing lines in the water. The films' Unit Production Manager, Zane Weiner is one of the 2 fishing spies. Colbert's wife, Evelyn, is also one of the Master's spies (stated in credits)... though I haven’t spotted her yet. Maybe the quilt-beater?
244. When Bard first arrives home with Bain, there's a woman across from him in the background beating a quilt with a wooden paddle. You can also hear a baby crying in the background.
245. Bard's front door has a very thick diamond shape window with two criss-crossing steel bars over it. It looks very much like a square porthole. A reference to the town being a water town.
246. Bard's toilet in Lake-town indicates that the Lake-men did their business directly into the lake below them.
247. There's a hook loaded with pieces of paper on the wall to the right of Bard's toilet
248. When Bard's youngest daughter (Tilda) sees dwarves after they came out of their toilet, she asks if they will bring them good luck.
249. Bilbo's teeth are chattering as the Company is brought dry clothes.
250. Bilbo says, "Thank you very much" when given a blanket and clothes in Bard's house. (Almost "Thag you very buch.")
251. Fili outright calls Thorin Uncle, showing that Kili and Fili are perhaps a bit more important.
252. Fili and Kili, who look to be the youngest, are discussing their plans with Balin and Thorin. This shows that they are obviously important enough to be heavily involved in the actual quest itself, and not just along as infantry, implying that they are leaders in their own rights (and leaders in training)
253. There's a model of a single-sail boat on Bard's windowsill
254. Thorin sees the dwarvish wind lance mounted at the top of a tower.
255. The map on the wall where Thorin looks out the window appears to be of the Mountain and Dale. It resembles Thrór's map in many ways
256. The dwarves failed to clean up after binding Kili's wound, alerting the orcs following them to their trail.
257. Bard has a hidden cache of home-made weapons he gave to the dwarves. Was he collecting them for a civil uprising against the Master of Lake-town?
258. Fili is extremely eager to see the weapons Bard has got for them. He of course looks thoroughly disgusted with what's on offer
259. There's a bowl of walnuts on the table in front of Bilbo when the dwarves are looking over the home-made weapons
260. Bilbo drinks in everything he hears in the discussions between Bard, Bain and the dwarves. He hears about Girion and the loosened scale under Smaug's left wing.
261. There are 4 places on the stand holding the Black Arrows. One is gone, Girion fires 2, the 3rd one is with Bard
262. When Girion fires on Smaug, there are several dead archers lay all around
263. When Kili has dropped into a seat and grimaces from his arrow wound, there's a pair of knitting needles with an item being knitted loaded on the needles. The size of the loops resembles the sweater Thorin ends up wearing
264. Just as Balin revealed the Company's Quest to Elrond when he was reading the map by speaking openly to Thorin, he reveals Thorin's name to Bard when talking about getting to the Mountain the same way.

A PART OF THIS WORLD
265. Legolas is pointing his arrow towards Tauriel when she is watching Lake-town from afar.
266. Tauriel's arrowhead is different than Legolas' arrowhead. His has the conventional v-point, and hers has a staggered burr and a half-v point
267. The orcs slaughtered a deer(?) on the spot where the Company landed in their barrels and where Tauriel and Legolas meet up
268. Tauriel is upset that Thranduil allows the enemy to pass through their lands and attack their prisoners and their folk without trying to stop them
269. Tauriel's awareness of what's happening in the world is teaching Legolas to think beyond Thranduil's mindset
270. When Tauriel and Legolas are looking at Lake-town, she calls him mellon (friend)

LAKE-TOWN – THE QUEST REVEALED
271. Bard is troubled as he remembers Thorin's name. He finds the tapestry with the dwarven family tree.
272. When Bard looks at the family tree tapestry, the Thorin drawing looks so much like the real Thorin that Bard KNOWS it is him.
273. The dwarf tapestry has three squares for Thorin's generation definitely included Dis
274. Bard knows the prophesy poem of the King under the Mountain.
275. Perhaps it's the prophecy about the King under the Mountain (the positive book version, not Bard's) that has given rise to a Lake-town superstition that dwarves "bring luck".
276. When the woman in Lake-town is talking about having seen Dwarves (long beards, fierce eyes), she is carrying athelas in her cornucopia-shaped basket.
277. Bilbo, Bofur, Nori and Kili go with Thorin to the armory to get some weapons.
278. Kili's leg gives out and he fall in the Armory, which is what indicated the guards to their presence.
279. Fili is shown touching Kili's shoulder as he is hanging his head while they are confronting the Master- probably feeling very guilty over what happened to get them caught.
280. The handles of the Master's door resemble eels
281. Dwalin announces who Thorin is the same way Legolas announced who Aragorn was at Elrond's Council.
282. Thorin learns that Bard is descended from Girion.
283. Thorin promises the people of Lake-town that if the dwarves succeed in regaining their realm, all will share in the wealth of the mountain.
284. Balin nods and approves of Thorin's promise to share the treasure with the people of Lake-town
285. When the dwarves/Bilbo are surrounded by the crowd in front of the Master of Lake-town and it is snowing, Bilbo looks noticeably very cold as he stands there shivering while the dwarves don't seem to care
286. Thorin takes a couple of steps up during the debate, putting himself on eye level with Bard.
287. Once the Master gives his approval, Thorin steps up again - now putting himself above Bard.
288. The Master of Lake-town finds generic words to buy time while he thinks on his feet. He also doesn't really answer Thorin or make a decision - he just says a placating "Welcome" that really could mean anything
289. The Dwarves are given new weapons in Lake-town.
290. Bilbo and Co. pick up new, regal-looking clothes in Lake-town. Perhaps a gift from the Master?
291. Ori, Bilbo and Oin are all wearing guard helms. There's one more there on the boat, but I can't see who
292. When Bofur wakes up, "Under the Table," he is in the Master's Chambers; so, It's likely they had a party there the night before.
293. The table which Bofur wakes up under at Lake-town is disgustingly messy. They haven't cleared up after the feast yet.
294. There's great fanfare when the townsfolk send the dwarves off. There are 4 elaborate horns of different shapes sounding the salute.
295. John Howe is the first Herald (straight horn) and Alan Lee is the second Herald (multi-circular horn) in front of the Master
296. One of the musical instruments being played in the send-off band in Lake-town is a serpent.
297. The Master of Lake-town is wearing the fancy costume shown in his portrait and the statue
298. In the Lake-town sendoff, Bilbo is clearly wearing one of the Lake-town guard's helm the Master's Guards wear. Oin and 1 or 2 other dwarves in the boat are wearing guard helms, too.
299. Dori seems to enjoy all the fanfare as they set off, smiling and waving at the crowd.
300. Bilbo is clearly uncomfortable with all the attention of the town as the boat departs. He's waving about and smiling nervously like he isn't sure what to do.
301. When Thorin tells Kili to stay in Lake-town to recover, he touches Kili's head, which shows their strong personal bond with each other.
302. Oin stays to tend to Kili, "My duty lies with the wounded."
303. Oin is the dwarf with the medical practice. Oin invented ointments, hence the reason they are called ointments
304. Fili stays to support his brother.
305. Thorin tells Fili he would one day be king and he had to come as part of the Company.
306. Fili's loyalty to his brother is far greater than his loyalty to Thorin and the quest.
307. It is finally established in the send off scene that Thorin is Fili's uncle, that Fili is going to be king someday (indicating he is the heir to the throne) and that Kili is also a Prince of Erebor, by virtue of being Fili's brother.
308. Bofur stays because he slept in his drink too long and woke under a table.
309. Kili finally succumbs to the Morgul arrow's poison and is mad with it.

DALE OVERLOOK
310. Thorin is leaning on a sword, which is not Orcrist. It seems to be a man-made style of sword.
311. Balin speaks a book Chapter Title: The Desolation of Smaug
312. Dwalin is carrying an axe or mace-like weapon.
313. Dori is carrying a long sword on his back, far longer than any prior to this point.

DOL GULDUR
314. In Dol Guldur, we can hear the black speech and the Ringspell.
315. Gandalf reveals his fear about the Necromancer to Radagast.
316. Gandalf arrives at Dol Guldur with Radagast in the sled pulled by Rhosgobel Rabbits.
317. Gandalf sends Radagast to tell Galadriel what is going on; but he's probably sending his friend away to spare him
318. Gandalf chants as he walks through Dol Guldur, "The evil that is hidden here, I command you to reveal yourself."
319. After Gandalf's first chanted revealing charm, he passes Glamdring close to us and it makes a metallic humming sound... like its power surge

THE HIDDEN DOOR
320. Two man-made swords are seen outside the hidden door.
321. The thrush that flies back to Erebor in AUJ flies up behind the giant dwarf statue. In the DOS trailer, the Dwarves are shown climbing up this same statue. So the Thrush was our first clue as to where the Hidden Door is.
322. Bilbo finds the hidden stairs up the side of a dwarven statue.
323. The stair-pattern goes up 2 sides of the statue
324. There must be statues strategically placed around the base of Erebor if there is a statue below the Hidden Door
325. The statue the Company climbs is not one of the two in front of the main gate.
326. The statue the Dwarves climb seems to have the same kind of beard decoration that Thrór had.
327. The Dwarven Statue to the left of Erebor's front gate is missing its head.
328. The landing outside the Hidden Door is mounted atop the dwarf statue axe head
329. Bilbo gets up to the secret doorstep first with Thorin following
330. Nori uses a cup to press his ear against the stone wall and magnify his tapping with a spoon as he tries to find the door.
331. There are dark grey rock chips imbedded throughout the lighter-coloured stone walls outside the hidden door... like pudding stone
332. The dwarves are all standing so close to the rock, they are blocking the sunlight from hitting the wall to reveal the keyhole
333. The light they're searching with is coming from between 2 mountain tops
334. Dwalin tries to use brute force to find the door.
335. Dwalin, Bifur and Gloin start chopping at the stone wall as they lose the light.
336. They shatter their axes on the stone wall when trying to break through
337. They're making so much noise, the thrush would never come around to crack that snail
338. Thorin despairs when the keyhole is not revealed and pleads with Balin, "What did we miss?"
339. Thorin gives Thrór's map to Bilbo as he walks away and leaves. After wondering how Bilbo acquired the map which he framed, and was briefly inspected by Gandalf in Fellowship, it seems he keeps it when Thorin gives it to him. Typical hobbit attention to detail (and enjoying mathoms) in keeping it.
340. Bilbo tries so hard to keep the dwarves from giving up. He can't believe that Thorin is giving up
341. Bilbo follows the instructions on the map precisely
342. Now that it's quiet, the thrush shows up in the last light to fulfill the prophesy
343. The shell of the snail the thrush was cracking on the rock shatters as pieces break away and it enjoys the contents. Finally, success in more ways than one :D
344. Bilbo discovers the secret of the map and the last light of Durin's Day is the last light of the crescent moon and not the sunlight/sunset.
345. Bilbo finds the keyhole from the light of the crescent moon through the top of the dwarven statue and not the mountains
346. The look on the dwarves' faces when they all come back after Bilbo finds the keyhole is great. They don't just race forward to get to the door (and the treasure). They line up and stand there smiling in deep appreciation of what Bilbo has done
347. The silhouette of Thorin is seen at the entrance to the tunnel
348. Before Thorin enters through the door, he names his home... Erebor. Like he's breathing life into it again as his home and not for the treasure
349. Thorin's first steps through the hidden door are extremely emotional as he revels on knowing the halls so well.
350. The image over the secret door entrance (on the inside) resembled the entrance to Erebor in one of the DOS posters.
351. Gloin reads the runes over the door: Here lies the Seventh Kingdom of Durin's folk. May the Heart of the Mountain unite all dwarves in defense of this home.
352. Thorin calls Bilbo "Master Baggins" since they escaped Mirkwood, until Balin tells Bilbo about the Arkenstone; then Thorin calls him Master Burglar.
353. Bilbo looks around at each of the dwarves in disbelief, then swallows hard *gulp*

LAKE-TOWN at BARD'S
354. Kili is in excruciating agony from the pain of the poison from the Morgul wound
355. Bofur rushes to pour hot water into a bowl for Oin, but burns his hands. As he gives Oin the bowl, Bofur is still wincing in pain.
356. Oin and Bofur know about kingsfoil. Oin for it medicinal properties, and Bofur knows what it looks like. Bard recognizes the name... but only as a weed

MASTER BURGLAR
357. Balin follows Bilbo into the head of the tunnel leading down to the treasure hall... just like in the book.
358. Balin generously gives Bilbo permission not to go on; but Bilbo says, "I promised I would do this, and I think I must try." Balin is impressed and moved by Bilbo's quality the same way Gandalf was with Frodo at Bag End many years later. "My dear Frodo. Hobbits really are amazing creatures. You can learn all that there is to know about their ways in a month, and yet after a hundred years they can still surprise you."
359. Balin sends Bilbo off with a blessing of "Go with as much luck as you can muster." Later, Bilbo tells Smaug he is "Luck-wearer.
360. Bilbo is wearing fingerless gloves when outside and no gloves when he enters the dwarven halls.
361. After Bilbo sees Balin walk away, he's pointing, then twitches his nose, wiggles his fingers and walks down the tunnel.

DOL GULDUR & GUNDABAD ORCS
362. Gandalf repeats his chant against Dol Guldur's spell of concealment 3 times (that we hear).
363. When Azog speaks to Gandalf, English subtitle states he says, "You are too late, Wizard." The Black Speech word he uses, though, is Sharku, "old man" (the reason "Sharkey" was an affectionate nickname of Saruman among his Orcs, in the LotR books). Azog is not carrying any weapon!
364. A variation of what Azog tells Gandalf: "You have come too late, Wizard... It is done... He is everywhere... It is over... we are legion."
365. Gandalf uses the same blinding flash to escape Azog and the orcs he used in Goblin-town to save the dwarves.
366. As the flash fades, you can hear Gandalf's footfalls as he runs away.
367. Azog and Bolg both walk upright, poised and proud... just like Thorin
368. Gandalf creates the sphere shield around him like the one in Khazad-dûm twice as he struggles against Sauron's mist
369. The mist of Sauron surrounds Gandalf's shield and seems to draw power from it.
370. As Gandalf struggles against the mist of Sauron, he sees the mist form into the Great Eye and the shape of Sauron form within it.
371. After destroying Gandalf's force shield and staff, Sauron overpowers Gandalf and has transformed.

SMAUG
372. Bilbo's gentle-hobbit side is compelled to knock before entering the Hall. The sound reverbs through the hall.
373. Bilbo knocking on the entrance into the hall sounds like the thrush knocking snails on the stones
374. Bilbo speaks a book Chapter Title: "Not At Home."
375. Bilbo is holding a cup he picks up that starts a cascade of gold falling and Smaug begins to stir, an homage to book Bilbo taking a cup back to the dwarves that Smaug immediately misses.
376. Bilbo is hesitant to use the Ring and only does it at the last moment.
377. As Smaug begins to stir, Bilbo tries to image the dragon's size compared to himself.
378. In true hobbity fashion, Bilbo tries hiding by squatting down and holding still like he did in Goblin-town.
379. Bilbo twitches his nose like he did watching Gandalf leave Bag End after their first meeting.
380. Among the treasure, Bilbo finds gems, cups, bowls, picture frames, jewelry, gold, and much more.
381. When Bilbo is talking to Smaug, he refers to him at one point as 'chiefest and greatest calamity of our age', drawing inspiration from Bofur's description at Bag End.
382. When Bilbo says "I am Barrel-rider" Smaug pulls in so close to Bilbo his snout is right at Bilbo's head and Bilbo "waves" his hand in front of his face like, "Phew dragon breath".
383. Bilbo makes a mistake when pretending not to know about dwarves. Smaug says, "dwarf friends," and Bilbo stutters and calls them dwarves.
384. While Smaug only has 2 legs, he uses the hands on his wings as legs in tight quarters.
385. Smaug senses Bilbo has the Ring. When he says, "...precious" just as Bilbo removes the Ring, Bilbo sees the Eye
386. Smaug sounds like he knew the hobbit would appear when he said precious. "There you are..." he says very silkily
387. At one point, Smaug burrows into the gold as he pursues Bilbo that shoots the gold coins forward like bullets
388. Smaug glides down from high on the mound to pursue Bilbo knocking over a column that shakes the Mountain
389. The dwarves feel the shudder. "That, my lad, was a dragon."

BACK AT LAKE-TOWN
390. When those who are still behind in Lake-town in Bard's home feel the tremors from the mountain, they know it's the dragon.
391. The youngest daughter (Tilda) is holding a doll close to her in fear- similarly to the shot in AUJ prologue of the little girl in Dale during Smaug's attack. Is this some kind of foreshadowing of the destruction of Lake-town?
392. Bard retrieves the last black arrow hidden in his home
393. When Bard is being chased, there's a large statue (painted wood?) of the Master in the background. It mirrors the "exaggerated" portrait in his bedchambers.
394. Bain hides the black arrow under a tarp on a small boat in front to the Master's statue.
395. Bard is very nimble when moving across the open boats. His pursuers immediately fall into the water. Bad sea-legs for living on the water.
396. The chief of the Lake-town guards has red feathers on his helm and wears a red cloak
397. Alfrid trips Bard making him fall and the Master knocks Bard out. They make sure none of the townspeople see him being captured

BACK ON THE DOORSTEP
398. Ori and the dwarves worry about Bilbo after the Mountain shake
399. Balin tells Thorin he fears for him... that the treasure hoard is cursed. Perhaps Thorin remembers overhearing the conversation in Rivendell between Elrond and Gandalf of the madness of Thrór/Thráin
400. When Thorin states outside the mountain that he is not his grandfather, there is an excellent profile shot of him and Thror's statue- an identical profile between the two. Excellent foreshadowing of the gold sickness.
401. The spines on Smaug's head flex outward when he gets excited as he speaks.
402. When Smaug is in the shadow, its dark, and his eye shine like headlights on the wall like in the old cartoon.
403. Bilbo slides down the vast pile of gold and treasure like Frodo slid down the hill of shale to save Sam.

MEANWHILE
404. Gandalf is imprisoned in the gibbet he passed as he came down the stairs when he first arrived.
405. In the second shot of the orcs marching from Dol Guldur, there's a close-up of an orc wearing what looks like the helmet from Bilbo's chest.
406. Azog is not carrying any weapon!
407. The Orc armor looks a little like the Mordor orc.
408. The orcs overrun the rooftops of Lake-town

DRAGON-SPELL
409. As Smaug tries to convince Bilbo that Thorin and the dwarves are using him, Bilbo is in danger of falling under dragon-spell
410. Smaug knows about the Arkenstone and is mostly playing with his prey - trying to corrupt them (moreso than just trying to overpower them). He makes steps that move the Arkenstone specifically and looks right at it once or twice.
411. Smaug addresses Bilbo as Barrel-rider and Thief in the shadows.
412. Bilbo's expression is one of concern when Smaug says he's tempted to let Bilbo take the Arkenstone if only to torture Thorin.
413. Bilbo hides under the gold before running out ahead of Smaug
414. Smaug's frustration grows as Bilbo keeps eluding him. "My teeth are swords... my wings are a hurricane!"
415. Bilbo sees Smaug's missing scale he heard about in Bard's home and understands its importance.
416. Smaug has different scaling patterns from ordinary lizards and snakes! His scales appear to be keeled instead of smooth.
417. Each time Smaug prepared to spray fire, his entire chest area glows red like a Balrog.
418. While Smaug is a dull red most of the time, he definitely glows red-gold when he is about to flame.
419. Does Bilbo have the Arkenstone? When Bilbo takes off and runs for the stairs to the tunnel, you can see what looks like the Arkenstone glowing right next to Smaug's foot.

LAKE-TOWN ATTACK
420. The orc attack on Lake-town is a night raid.
421. Orcs can hear the guards' laughter
422. Bofur has found the kingsfoil/athelas to save Kili.
423. Orcs spot Bofur and follow him back to Bard's home where they expect to find Thorin.
424. Oin hears the orcs on the roof
425. During the orc attack, Oin throws a pot at the incoming orcs
426. Sigrid has the sense to barricade herself under the table
427. Tilda throws a plate into the face of an orc before joining her sister under the table
428. Fili tries to run into one of the orcs and push him out the door, but was unsuccessful
429. Bain kicks a bench at the orcs to protect his family
430. Fili shields Bain from an orc
431. Tauriel pushes the orc outside the door over the rail and into the water as she enters the house first
432. An orc grabs and pulls Kili by his bad leg and Tauriel quickly kills it
433. When an orc is about to knife Tauriel, Kili jumps up and kills the orc first... then collapses to the floor screaming in pain... she sees all of it
434. Legolas jumps through a hole in the roof and quickly glances around to assess who is there and what's going on
435. Oin admits to Tauriel, an elf, that he can't save Kili... "We're losing him!"
436. When Tauriel hears Bofur running up the stairs of Bard's home, she reaches behind her back for her knives
437. Tauriel decides to stay and heal Kili as Legolas chases the orcs

BACK AT EREBOR
438. When Smaug first approaches Thorin and Bilbo, Bilbo moves behind Thorin and up a few steps as Thorin braces for Smaug's attack.
439. The dwarves run to the defense of Bilbo and Thorin as they line up side-by-side.
440. Smaug sees the dwarves and immediately goes for them, filling the whole treasure chamber with flame.
441. The dwarves escape through a passage too small for his head to fit into, but he blows flame after them. Thorin's cloak is set on fire. This is a definite callback to the book where Bilbo taunts Smaug and escapes up the tunnel just in time, getting singed in the process.
442. When the Company escapes Smaug's burst of flame, Thorin comes through the tunnel with his coat on fire. He rolls on the ground throws it off and quickly says, "Let's go." He's very much in his element

ATHELAS
443. There are walnuts all around Kili's head.
444. Fili climbs up on the table by Kili's head to hold him down
445. As Tauriel chants while holding the athelas poultice on Kili's wound, she glows golden
446. Kili is delirious and he's just seen her being other-worldly and mysterious AND saving his life, so only natural he might ramble a bit.
447. It takes everyone to hold down Kili, but Oin holds his trumpet to his ear so he can hear Tauriel's incantation
448. Kili says that Tauriel is walking in starlight far, far away. He still feels that starlight is remote and far away.
449. In his confusion, Kili talks to Tauriel as if in a dream. She is moved when he says she walks in starlight and reaches for her hand. "Do you think she could have loved me?"
450. Kili is not the first dwarf to be besotted with an Elf. Gimli fell for Galadriel, and he's older and more guarded than Kili. And now Oin is also very impressed
451. Fili still has his mustache braids; however, they are now tied with string since he lost his metal clasps.
452. In AUJ when they first go into the goblin caves Thorin has a metal clasp holding his hair back, but in DOS it looks like it might be string as well- or a narrow rope.

SMAUG ON THE HUNT
453. As Smaug passes overhead, everyone has their weapons drawn except Bilbo
454. The only scene where Smaug seems to really not know the Company is there is when they are sneaking along and he is passing by overhead, dropping the occasional coin.
455. At first, Bilbo thinks the coins are falling from his waistcoat after swimming in treasure.
456. If the coins had not fallen, the Company would not have known the dragon was right overhead. It shows just how stealthy the enormous dragon can be.
457. The blocked off western guard post is where they Company finds the mummified corpses (including a mother and baby dwarf). Most of the dead look like women and children.
458. After decades of being stripped of his home and living on the road, Thorin refuses to let Smaug win by trapping them... clawing for breath. He's going to face the dragon as King in the effort of reclaiming their homeland.

BOLG & LEGOLAS SHOWDOWN
459. When Legolas meets Bolg, he literally meets him in a dark alley
460. Bolg wheezes
461. Bolg grabs and holds Legolas sword through brute force. Legolas can't move it.
462. Legolas slashes Bolg's leg during their fight.
463. Bolg and Legolas are matched in their fight. The only way it ends is when Bolg throws Legolas into a fight with 2 orcs and walks away
464. As Legolas realizes his nose is bleeding, you can hear his horse whinnying when Bolg rides away
465. Legolas leaves Lake-town on a white horse hot on Bolg's trail. Did he "borrow" it from the town stables?
[gramma speculates] Where did Legolas get the horse? Legolas probably used a horse to catch up with Tauriel where they looked across the water at Lake-town and then they both rode to Lake-town. Tauriel entered Bard's home alone while Legolas dispatched the orc about to kill Bofur, then joins Tauriel at Bard's. That's why there was a horse waiting for Legolas to pursue Bolg.

EREBOR SHOWDOWN
466. The dwarves split up, momentarily distracting Smaug who for a moment can't decide who to chase first.
467. Gloin and Bifur taunt and distract Smaug who belches fire under the floor they're running across heating the gold
468. The gold is too hot from Smaug's fire for Bifur and Gloin to walk on
469. Gloin and Bifur slide down some shutes and lands in two suspended trolley buckets used to move gems.
470. There is often a heat-haze around Smaug's mouth.
471. When trying to escape Smaug up the well's chains, Thorin finds himself standing on Smaug's mouth
472. Thorin goads Smaug into lighting the forges with his hot flame by taunting him as growing slow and fat in his dotage. "Slug!"
473. Thorin smiles at the others and suggests they "Take cover." They each throw themselves against the iron columns that block Smaug's angry flame
474. Thorin manages to trick Smaug into lighting the forges, which surprises but doesn't dismay him. He enters the chamber and climbs about the forges without hesitation.
475. There are at least 5 forges lit by Smaug's fire
476. Each forge is already loaded with gold that had been heated already from the looks of the darkened surface. Unless it's dust and dirt from 60 years of waiting
477. Balin runs to make some flash flame to use against Smaug. Balin is also a chemist, it seems.
478. Thorin counts on Bilbo as he tells him to help... "On my mark... pull the lever."
479. Bilbo pulls the lever at Thorin's cry and the water puts out Smaug's flame just as he was about to spew fire on Thorin.
480. As Bilbo pulls down on the lever, his feet stick out as he hauls with all his might.
481. Water spews from 4 fountains that set the wheels to the overhead trolleys moving
482. Smaug tries to fly out of the cascading water
483. The only thing that affects Smaug at all is when they release the water for the waterwheels. Smaug's fire is dimmed as he staggers back and has to recover
484. Oin cuts the trolley cable that drops and tangles Smaug
485. Smaug has fought through the tangled cables from the overhead gem trolleys and being doused with water.
486. After releasing the molten gold, Thorin runs under Smaug with a wheelbarrow then rides it down the trough of pouring gold.
487. Bilbo is distressed as he watches Thorin run under Smaug with the barrow, weaving between the worm's legs and making for the molten, rushing gold and cries out, "Keep going, Bilbo" as he rides out of sight
488. Bilbo is knocked down from on top of the wall to the floor below without being crushed.
489. Thorin cries to the dwarves to make for the Gallery of Kings, but Smaug chooses to chase Bilbo there.
490. Smaug sees Thorin, but turns to chase Bilbo. He wants Bilbo more than Thorin
491. Smaug chases Bilbo to the Gallery of Kings as Thorin wanted.
492. The Gallery of Kings had been untouched by Smaug until he followed Bilbo there.
493. Smaug's voice breaks when he shouts about the black arrow
494. Hiding under the fallen tapestry, Bilbo is shocked when Smaug knows that Lake-town has helped the dwarves and is going to punish it.
495. Bilbo shows his courage again as he leaves his hiding place and runs after Smaug shouting and pleading with him not to attack Lake-town. He runs right up to the dragon unconcerned for himself.
496. Thorin finally gets to re-claim Erebor and the treasure from Smaug face-to-face
497. Thorin gets to bawl out the 2 who wronged him most... Thranduil and Smaug
498. Thorin stands on the shoulder of the statue and begins to taunt him. If Smaug has a weak point, in book or movie, it's his ego. He stops to refute Thorin's insults
499. The gold and everything was already prepped to go when the dwarves began to work on building the giant statue of Thrór. Possibly it was a project in the works when Smaug attacked long ago that Thorin remembered
500. Thorin knew the statue mold was there and uses the gold in the shape of a dwarven king to attack Smaug
501. When the mold is released, Thorin is left dangling from a chain next to the statue's shoulder.
502. There are still lumps of unmelted gold in the molten flow
503. Smaug is in awe of the Golden Dwarf Statue
504. The Golden Statue held together long enough to overwhelm Smaug.
505. The molten gold doesn't hurt Smaug, but now he's really angry and he intends to get his revenge and savor it by destroying Lake-town.
506. Smaug's wings are very bat-like. He's got three useable fingers on each hand; the other 3 to 4 fingers on each hand are elongated bat-style digits to support the skin of the wing. Thus, Smaug has six or seven digits on each hand, not the four or five we'd expect from a lizard-like reptile! Bats, on the other hand (no pun intended), have one small finger on each wing, and their other four digits are elongated to support the skin of the wing.
507. Bilbo has climbed out on the broken rocks to see Smaug descend on Lake-town. "What have we done?"


Chapter titles spoken:
Balin: "The Desolation of Smaug" as they approach Dale
Bilbo: "Not at home" as he approaches the treasure hoard

Character placements at the end of the film
Bard is in jail in Lake-town
Tauriel is with Kili, Fili, Bofur, Oin, and Bard's daughters and son in Lake-town
Gandalf is in a gibbet in Dol Guldur as the orc army marches out
Sauron's/Necromancer's Army marching from Dol Guldur
Bilbo is outside Erebor watching Smaug approach Lake-town
The remaining Company is in Erebor
Legolas is chasing Bolg away from Lake-town carry Orcrist
Azog is still at Dol Guldur (?)
Thranduil is (supposedly) back in his throne room
Radagast is fetching Galadriel (and Elrond?)
Beorn in his territory
The Eagles in their territory

Bard's/film version of The Prophesy
The lord of silver fountain,
The King of carven stone,
The King beneath the mountain
Shall come into his own!

And the bell shall ring in gladness
At the Mountain King's return;
And all shall fail in sadness,
And the lake will shine and burn

Book version sung by townspeople
The King beneath the mountains,
The King of carven stone,
The lord of silver fountains
Shall come into his own!
His crown shall be upholden,
His harp shall be restrung,
His halls shall echo golden
To songs of yore re-sung.
The woods shall wave on mountains
And grass beneath the sun;
His wealth shall flow in fountains
And the rivers golden run.
The streams shall run in gladness,
The lakes shall shine and burn,
And sorrow fail and sadness
At the Mountain-king's return!



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2nd draft of TH:DOS Geeky Observation List - Novembe 28, 2013



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grammaboodawg
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Jan 3 2014, 3:19am

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Here are my Obs I've accumulated after 17 viewings. They've already been added to the main list :)

BREE AND BEORN
The drink in Thorin's mug looks like the same white mead Beorn serves them.
There's a Pippin-looking hobbit being lifted onto a stool at the bar
The contract on Thorin's head Gandalf took from the enemy he met on the Greenway is shaped like wing (batwing?)
The suspicious characters overhear Gandalf and Thorin talking about Erebor and the Arkenstone
Azog seems to sense Bilbo's general direction. He looks right over where the hobbit is hiding.
As Bilbo reports to the Company, daylight is beginning to show along the mountaintops
When Gandalf cries out for them to hurry, Bofur grabs Bombur's coat to pull him along
There are beehives lined up in front of Beorn's entrance
Bifur is carefully checking out Beorn's home
Beorn walks away from his home allowing the Company to stay and rest
The chess game is made up of light and dark wood
The chess game is set up and ready to play
Bilbo is twiddling his thumbs as he lays wide awake
Sleepless Bilbo feels the Ring calling and looks charmed by it
Bilbo sees Beorn quietly walk into the house
Beorn has unlatched and come in a back door at the opposite end of the house from the barricaded front entrance
There's a shelf above the table suspended from the rafters
Azog doesn't flinch when a frothing warg gets in his face
The Company doesn't know Azog and his orcs have been called to Dol Guldur, although scouts could be left behind

MIRKWOOD
Gandalf tells Bilbo the way around Mirkwood is 200 miles to the north or 400 miles to the south
It looks like periwinkle is growing over the statue
Galadriel speaks to Gandalf psychically and sends him to the High Fells
The path is made up of large square flagstones
The Company takes several minutes to pack up with the supplies Beorn has sent with them. Everyone is carrying supplies
Bilbo is carry a pack slung over his left shoulder with a lot of padding where its rope rests next to his neck. The other should has a rope supporting 2 bottled lashed together
Bombur has 2 bundles
Fili is carrying coils of rope
Nori is carrying a round basket on his back
Bilbo sits despondently as the dwarves wander looking for the path, but he still has his supplies
When Bilbo stops to climb the tree, he's not carrying his water bottles anymore and doesn't have the ropes over his shoulder for carrying his supplies
There are hardly any bundles carried by the dwarves
As Bilbo climbs the tree, the thrumming from the Ring gets louder and louder, but stops as soon as he clears the treetops
Bilbo's hair and outfit matches the colours of the leaves
Wrapped in spider web, you can make out Bofur's hat and Balin's shoe
As the dwarves drop to the ground, the webs soften their fall
The old pale crab-like spider also wheezes in its old age
It looks like a spider graveyard. There are more dead spiders and whitened spiders lying about than Bilbo killed. They're probably victims of past elven purging attacks
Bilbo is ruthless as he attacks the old (least threatening) spider when it touches the Ring. After killing it, he holds the Ring up and claims it as "mine"
Dwalin punches out one of the attacking spiders
Legolas hands his bow to another elf while the dwarves are being searched
The dwarves are chained together as they're led to Thranduil's caves
We see Bilbo run to keep up with the elves from his POV and slips through the doors as they close
When Tauriel puts Kili in his cell, he's still wearing his archer's 2-fingered glove
Ori and Dori are in a cell together
As we see Thranduil's Hall from the dungeon to his throne, we get a perspective of how open everything is
Thranduil has 8 guards around him as he interrogates Thorin. Later, when he questions the orc, there are only 2 guards.
Not only did Thranduil turn away from the dwarves of Erebor while under attack, he also turned them away when they came to him for help
The Realm's Halls have columns and all the arches carved to look like trees
The only time Thranduil wears his crown is while he's questioning Thorin
Bilbo the Burglar has arrived. He's successfully stolen the keys
Nori reaches through the bars and pats Bilbo on the shoulder
The elves didn't take everything. Oin still has a bag, and Balin and Gloin still have their money pouches.

BARREL ESCAPE
Nori is reaching out to hold onto Bilbo
Kili is shot in the leg by Bolg with a Morgul-poisoned arrow; the same poison Frodo endured from the Morgul-blade.
While Bombur has been beached and his barrel is rolling over the orcs, Bilbo can be seen pacing him on top of a barrel in the water. Dwalin can be seen in his barrel front of Bilbo from both Bombur's and Bilbo's pov.
After turning into a one-dwarf wrecking machine, Bombur runs and jumps into an empty barrel in front of Dwalin. So his whole time fighting on the beach, Bombur kept up with the Company racing by in the barrels
Bombur's barrel rolls upside down and needs to be up-righted by his fellow dwarves.
Legolas stands on Oin and Dwalin's head, then perches 1-footed on Dwalin's head
There are at least 15 barrels released in the water. One for each dwarf, one Bombur jumps into after destroying his, and one that Bilbo clings to during the Orc raid
Bombur pushes Bifur's barrel towards shore
When they get beached, Oin's trumpet has been tapped open a bit. He must have worked on it with Gloin while in prison.
Ori holds back Dori when it looks like he wants to charge Bard when he scoffs at them being merchants
Balin has 14 piles of coins, but says they are 10 coins short. It's hard to tell how many coins are in each pile. It looks like 3 in a few piles and 2 in the rest.
The only time Thranduil wears his crown is while he's questioning Thorin
Thorin accused Thranduil of lacking all honour. Thranduil proves it again when he lies to the orc.
Thranduil only has 2 elven guards standing by while questioning the captured orc
After Thranduil kills the orc, the 2 elven guards go up to take care of the body
Azog and Bolg both walk upright, stately and proud... just like Thorin

HIGH FELLS
It looks like there are 9 levels when Radagast and Gandalf look down the pit. One for each of the Nazgul?
All of the iron bars look like they've been pulled out from the outside or pushed out from the inside
Radagast must have sent his birds as lookouts if they've returned after meeting up with Gandalf

LAKE-TOWN
The Master's spy with the eye patch is Steven Colbert. When he taps twice on the wall, his 2 sons, John and Peter are the two children that run by and throw a lever that rings a bell. This signals a man to light a pipe which signals 2 people in a boat to drop their fishing lines in the water. The films' Unit Production Manager, Zane Weiner is one of the 2 fishing spies. Colbert's wife, Evelyn, is also one of the Master's spies... though I haven’t spotted her yet. Maybe the quilt-beater?
There's a hook loaded with pieces of paper on the wall to the right of Bard's toiletThere's a model of a single-sail boat on Bard's windowsill
The map on the wall where Thorin looks out the window appears to be of the Mountain and Dale. It resembles Thrór's map in many ways
There's a bowl of walnuts on the table in front of Bilbo when the dwarves are looking over the home-made weapons
When Kili has dropped into a seat and grimaces from his arrow wound, there's a pair of knitting needles with an item being knitted loaded on the needles. The size of the loops resembles the sweater Thorin ends up wearing
There are 4 places on the stand holding the Black Arrows. One is gone, Girion fires 2, the 3rd one is with Bard
When Girion fires on Smaug, there are several dead archers lay all around
Just as Balin revealed the Company's Quest to Elrond when he was reading the map by speaking openly to Thorin, he reveals Thorin's name to Bard when talking about getting to the Mountain the same way.
The orcs slaughtered a deer on the spot where the Company landed in their barrels and where Tauriel and Legolas meet up
Tauriel's arrowhead is different than Legolas' arrowhead. His has the conventional v-point, and hers has a staggered burr and a half-v point
Tauriel's awareness of what's happening in the world is teaching Legolas to think beyond Thranduil's mindset
When Tauriel and Legolas are looking at Lake-town, she calls him mellon (friend)
The handles of the Master's door resemble eels
Dwalin announces who Thorin is the same way Legolas announced who Aragorn was at Elrond's Council.
Balin nods and approves of Thorin's promise to share the treasure with the people of Lake-town
Ori, Bilbo and Oin are all wearing guard helms. There's one more there on the boat, but I can't see who
The Master of Lake-town is wearing the fancy costume shown in his portrait and the statue
Kili is in excruciating agony from the pain of the poison from the Morgul wound
Fili climbs up on the table by Kili's head to hold him down
Kili says that Tauriel is far, far away. He still feels that starlight is remote and far away.

DOL GULDUR
After Gandalf's first chanted revealing charm, he passes Glamdring close to us and it makes a metallic humming sound... like its power surge
A variation of what Azog tells Gandalf: "You have come too late, Wizard... It is done... He is everywhere... It is over... we are legion."
Gandalf uses the same blinding flash to escape Azog and the orcs he used in Goblin-town to save the dwarves.
As the flash fades, you can hear Gandalf's footfalls as he runs away.
Azog and Bolg both walk upright, poised and proud... just like Thorin

EREBOR
The stair-pattern goes up 2 sides of the statue
There must be statues strategically placed around the base of Erebor if there is a statue below the hidden door
Bilbo gets up to the secret doorstep first with Thorin following
The dwarves are all standing so close to the rock, they are blocking the sunlight from hitting the wall to reveal the keyhole
The light they're searching with is coming from between 2 mountain tops
Bilbo finds the keyhole from the light of the crescent moon through the top of the dwarven statue
They shatter their axes on the stone wall when trying to break through
They're making so much noise, the thrush would never come around to crack that snail!
The landing outside the Hidden Door is mounted atop the dwarf statue axe head
Bilbo can't believe that Thorin is giving up
Bilbo follows the instructions on the map precisely
Now that it's quiet, the thrush shows up in the last light to fulfill the prophesy
The shell of the snail the thrush was cracking on the rock shatters as pieces break away and it enjoys the contents. Finally, success in more ways than one :D
There are dark grey rock chips imbedded throughout the lighter-coloured stone walls outside the hidden door... like pudding stone
Before Thorin enters through the door, he names his home... Erebor. Like he's breathing life into it again as his home and not for the treasure
Gloin reads the runes over the door
Bilbo looks around at each of the dwarves in disbelief, then swallows hard *gulp*
Balin sends Bilbo off with a blessing of "Go with as much luck as you can muster." Later, Bilbo tells Smaug he is "Luck-wearer."

LAKE-TOWN
Bofur rushes to pour hot water into a bowl for Oin, but burns his hands. As he gives Oin the bowl, Bofur is still wincing in pain.
Bain hides the black arrow under a tarp on a small boat in front to the Master's statue.
Bard is very nimble when moving across the open boats. His pursuers immediately fall into the water. Bad sea-legs for living on the water.
The chief of the Lake-town guards has red feathers on his helm and wears a red cloak
Alfrid trips Bard making him fall and the Master knocks Bard out. They make sure none of the townspeople see him being captured
Orcs can hear the guards' laughter
Orcs spot Bofur and follow him back to Bard's home where they expect to find Thorin.
Oin hears the orcs on the roof
Tauriel pushes the orc outside the door over the rail and into the water as she enters the house first
An orc grabs and pulls Kili by his bad leg and Tauriel quickly kills it
When an orc is about to knife Tauriel, Kili jumps up and kills the orc first... then collapses to the floor screaming in pain... she sees all of it
Legolas jumps through a hole in the roof and quickly glances around to assess who is there and what's going on
Oin admits to Tauriel, an elf, that he can't save Kili... "We're losing him!"
When Tauriel hears Bofur running up the stairs of Bard's home, she reaches behind her back for her knives
It takes everyone to hold down Kili, but Oin holds his trumpet to his ear so he can hear Tauriel's incantation
Bolg wheezes
Legolas slashes Bolg's leg during their fight.
As Legolas realizes his nose is bleeding, you can hear his horse whinnying when Bolg rides away
[gramma speculates] Where did Legolas get the horse? Legolas used a horse to catch up with Tauriel where they looked across the water at Lake-town and then they both rode to Lake-town. Tauriel entered Bard's home alone while Legolas dispatched the orc about to kill Bofur, then joins Tauriel at Bard's. That's why there was a horse waiting for Legolas to pursue Bolg.

SMAUG
Bilbo knocking on the entrance into the hall sounds like the thrush knocking snails on the stones
Bilbo makes a mistake when pretending not to know about dwarves. Smaug says, "dwarf friends," and Bilbo stutters and calls them dwarves.
Smaug senses Bilbo has the Ring. When he says, "...precious" just as Bilbo removes the Ring, Bilbo sees the Eye
Smaug sounds like he knew the hobbit would appear when he said precious. "There you are..." he says very silkily
Smaug glides down from high on the mound to pursue Bilbo
Smaug's frustration grows as Bilbo keeps eluding him. "My teeth are swords... my wings are a hurricane!"
When Smaug first approaches Thorin and Bilbo, Bilbo moves behind Thorin and up a few steps as Thorin braces for Smaug's attack.
Thorin's first escape from Smaug leaves his coat on fire. He rolls to the ground, sheds the flaming coat, jumps up easily and says, "Let's go!" I think he's an adrenalin junkie and is totally in his element!
As Smaug passes overhead, everyone has their weapons drawn except Bilbo
After decades of being stripped of his home and living on the road, Thorin refuses to let Smaug win by trapping them... clawing for breath. He's going to face the dragon as King in the effort of reclaiming their homeland.
There are at least 5 forges lit by Smaug's fire
Each forge is already loaded with gold that had been heated already from the looks of the darkened surface. Unless it's dust and dirt from 60 years of waiting
As Bilbo pulls down on the lever, his feet stick out as he hauls with all his might.
Water spews from 4 fountains that set the wheels to the overhead trolleys moving
Smaug tries to fly out of the cascading water
Bilbo is distressed as he watches Thorin run under Smaug with the barrow, weaving between the worm's legs and making for the molten, rushing gold and cries out, "Keep going, Bilbo" as he rides out of sight
The gold is too hot from Smaug's fire for Bifur and Gloin to walk on
Smaug's voice breaks when he shouts about the black arrow
Oin cuts the trolley cable that drops and tangles Smaug
Smaug sees Thorin, but turns to chase Bilbo. He wants Bilbo more than Thorin
Thorin gets to bawl out the 2 who wronged him most... Thranduil and Smaug
Thorin knew the statue mold was there
There are still lumps of unmelted gold in the molten flow
Bilbo has climbed out on the broken rocks to see Smaug descend on Lake-town. "What have we done?"



6th draft of TH:AUJ Geeky Observation List - November 28, 2013
2nd draft of TH:DOS Geeky Observation List - Novembe 28, 2013



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arithmancer
Grey Havens


Jan 3 2014, 3:33am

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Awesome list, it is so fun that you make this!

I have 2 more for Mirkwood:

- Bombur is still awake and kicks a spider. (This is just like in the book).
- When Legolas takes Orcrist and speaks of it in Sindarin he states it is from Gondolin (this is not in the English subtitles, but matches what Elrond told of its heritage in AUJ).



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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Jan 3 2014, 3:44am

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*sheepish laugh* I totally just did what you said not to do and posted this on the old thread 20 pages back and the found that you just posted this thread! Oops!Blush Let me correct my mistake and re-state my observation here.



I don't know if this has been mentioned or not but I hadn't noticed it before.

You know how when Bilbo looks at the Ring we hear it whispering: "Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul," etc? My understanding is that this is the black speech translation of the "One Ring to rule them all" poem. Aaaanyway, the Ring always whispers/chants this in the same rhythmic manner and the rhythm is very distinctive and kind of sounds like: boom-boom-boom-da-boom.

Well, my geeky observation that I made on my 2nd viewing of DOS is that in the scene where we see that Sauron's orc army is marching away from Dol Guldur, the orcs are marching with the same rhythm of the "One Ring to rule them all" poem! Their marching has that very same boom-boom-boom-da-boom rhythm.

I hope that made sense. I really didn't notice it the first time I saw DOS, but if you listen can definitely hear that rhythm.Smile


DwellerInDale
Rohan


Jan 3 2014, 4:05am

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1. Point Number 183: on hearing a better sound system, Tauriel actually shouts "Tolo hí !" To her guards, ("Come!) , not "Noro lim". Legolas also shouts this in Mirkwood to command the guards to start leading the prisoners away.


2. In the "It IS our fight" scene, Tauriel comes upon the remains of a slaughtered deer just before Legolas finds her.


Don't mess with my favorite female elf.











grammaboodawg
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Jan 3 2014, 4:12am

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I thought that was Bombur getting a kick outta that spider. AND I definitely hear Legolas say Gondolin... so that makes total sense!

THANKS!



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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 3 2014, 4:14am

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I just came from the old homestead... I mean... old thread and picked it up there! I'll say it again, GREAT CATCHES!!! and Thanks :D



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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 3 2014, 4:16am

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The sound at my theatre is bad... [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks so much :) I'll make the change right now!



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Brethil
Half-elven


Jan 3 2014, 4:38am

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The Hobbit lifted up at the bar and watching the checkers - I would swear its Kirin Shah! (What do you think?)

Oh and maybe add at 30 - Gandalf smiles at the monstrous bear rather incongruously! As if to say, you are looking well!

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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Jan 3 2014, 4:41am

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I just got back from seeing DoS for a second time. Just some comments and a few geeky observations to add.

Comments:
- as with AUJ I liked DoS much better the second time around... perhaps it has something to do with the shock of so many (needless?) changes giving way so I could just judge the movie on it's own merits.
- I've decided I do not like HFR.
- Bard definitely calls the ballista thing a Wind Lance.
- I am extremely satisfied with Luke Evans as Bard, and his character in general (in spite of the changes).
- Tauriel and Thranduil are great as well.
- I wish they had left out the blue contacts for Legolas... too unnatural looking.

Geeky Observations:

Around 190: While not quite poking through the web pods, some dwarf noses did strain the stuff, leaving it noticeably thinner.

Around 261: By the end of the Girion flashback there is one Black Arrow left on the ammo rack.

Around 368: Not only does Sauron manifest as black smoke, he is accompanied by a subway sound-effect, one of the sounds made by the Smoke Monster from Lost. Is this a nod to Dom, Lily and/or Lost?

Around 440: Smaug borrows a line from Denethor when he says, "Flee! Flee for your lives!" (though he might say, "Flee, flee, run for your lives!") Are they motivated by the same force?

Thanks Gramma Smile


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Nunilo
Bree


Jan 3 2014, 8:30am

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At number 381, the exact wording of Bilbo's name for Smaug is "chiefest and greatest of calamities". Cool

Thorin is the first dwarf Bilbo frees (172). At around 176, just before they get in the barrels, Bofur complains to Bilbo (about them going down into the cellars rather than up) only to "shhh!" him as soon as he tries to answer.

Also at 246, Dwalin's being first out of the toilet might be a subtle nod to him being one of the grumpiest after the barrels in the book.

I hope you get well soon! Smile


DanielLB
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Jan 3 2014, 11:07am

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I thought it was a child (and his father) in that shot (perhaps it's a young Butterbur?) It also looks like he's being lifted onto his fathers lap rather than a stool.

He does have a pipe in his hand. Is it real or play toy?



smtfhw
Lorien

Jan 3 2014, 11:22am

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That's definitely string.


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Bree


Jan 3 2014, 11:31am

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The Hobbit lifted up at the bar and watching the checkers - I would swear its Kirin Shah! (What do you think?)

I thought so and, Daniel, I'm pretty sure he was a hobbit getting another half-pint in.




dernwyn
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Jan 3 2014, 1:59pm

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Kiran Shah as a Hobbit - he confirmed it on his Facebook page. Cool


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Brethil
Half-elven


Jan 3 2014, 6:33pm

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I thought so and, Daniel, I'm pretty sure he was a hobbit getting another half-pint in.



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Brethil
Half-elven


Jan 3 2014, 6:38pm

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I don't go ever on Facebook - but the profile looked familiar, and I think he says something right before he is being lifted up, and I said "THAT has to be Kirin!" What a lovely sort of Easter egg to find! Cool
There may have been another Hobbit on set that day, as the Hobbit male in the back booth to the left of Thorin's shoulder seems to be a different actor.

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Brethil
Half-elven


Jan 3 2014, 8:35pm

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so maybe in Bree we can add:


4. That the Hobbit at the bar is Kirin
They play checkers in Bree, as seen by the table diagonal to Gandalf and Thorin.

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Barbarb
The Shire

Jan 3 2014, 11:05pm

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When the dwarves get into the barrels, one of them goes in head first, with his feet sticking out. You can see it just before Bilbo opens the floor to release them. I thought this was really funny and was trying to work out which dwarf it was. Bifur?


Kim
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Jan 3 2014, 11:11pm

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I noticed that too, and haven't been able to figure out which dwarf it is (and how the heck he gets turned right side up!) Cool


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Jan 4 2014, 1:32am

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Jan 4 2014, 1:40am

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as Kiran now!

And I LOVE that smile on Gandalf's face. I got the impression he was smiling on Beorn's behalf. Theat he was messing with the dwarves' heads. If Beorn didn't want them to be in there, there's no way he'd walk away and leave them there... let alone keep guard all night. I also love how Bilbo goes over and peeks through the crack in the door at the bear after Dori pulls Ori away ;)

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Jan 4 2014, 1:47am

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you like it more now :) Evangeline's Tauriel is amazing! The more I see her, the more I'm so thrilled with the character and Lilly's work. AND I love the LOST/smoke parallel. Did you notice that sound is quieter inside Gandalf's sphere? Definitely hear Denethor there! I've picked up on several line carry-overs... which are always fun to discover :)

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Jan 4 2014, 1:50am

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Bilbo was smart to get to Thorin first :D AND I still crack up every time Bofur gets Bilbo starting to talk and SHHHH! He does the same kind of thing with Kili when he's going to run off to find Kingsfoil and says, "Don't move!" *giggle* He's my favourite dwarf :D

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