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plot-reasons for the deaths of fili and kili

Maciliel
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Dec 27 2013, 1:53pm


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plot-reasons for the deaths of fili and kili [In reply to] Can't Post

 
arithmancer, this is my take also on why tolkien killed off fili and kili. to demonstrate the horrific and useless waste of youth. an entire generation wiped out, just as he had seen, first-hand, in world war i.


cheers --

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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo

Subject User Time
Dwarf Genealogy Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 27 2013, 2:07am
    I disagree. marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Dec 27 2013, 2:38am
        "Sister-sons" don't necessarily have standing for inheritance. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 27 2013, 4:27am
            Very Good Arguments Fili Send a private message to Fili Dec 27 2013, 5:04am
                The genealogy is written to support the story. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 27 2013, 5:12am
                    That's Possible Fili Send a private message to Fili Dec 27 2013, 5:27am
                    Like the hobbit family trees. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 27 2013, 5:49am
            stupid subject lines. marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Dec 27 2013, 5:26am
            yet Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Dec 27 2013, 6:33am
                "the first dwarf king EVER in the line of Durin to have died without a son" N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 27 2013, 6:43am
                    I stand corrected Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Dec 27 2013, 6:47am
                        It might, indeed, have been an interesting discussion. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 27 2013, 8:05am
                            true Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Dec 27 2013, 8:22am
                                We can't actually see those "thousand years or so" Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 27 2013, 8:46am
                                    thanks! Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Dec 27 2013, 7:03pm
                            I suppose they were far older than Thrór and Thrain I at their crowning. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 28 2013, 2:47am
                sister-sons ... cirashala beat me to it Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Dec 27 2013, 1:50pm
            a shivanwurm Send a private message to shivanwurm Dec 27 2013, 7:01am
        "In The Hobbit book, they had Thorin introduce Fili and Kili as his sister sons." N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 27 2013, 6:33am
    As far as the movies are concerned, Fili IS the heir Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Dec 27 2013, 12:15pm
        Tolkien *book spoiler* arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 27 2013, 1:38pm
            plot-reasons for the deaths of fili and kili Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Dec 27 2013, 1:53pm
                Very good point, Maciliel and arithmancer Riven Delve Send a private message to Riven Delve Dec 27 2013, 2:13pm
                I Agree Fili Send a private message to Fili Dec 27 2013, 2:58pm
                322 sets of brothers died in WWI Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 27 2013, 9:19pm
        I agree, Riven Delve, that in the movie Fili is Thorin's heir Noria Send a private message to Noria Dec 27 2013, 2:42pm
    Re Retro315 Send a private message to Retro315 Dec 27 2013, 9:34pm
        Valandil went to live with Meneldil? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 27 2013, 10:15pm
        These issues are very culture-specific. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 27 2013, 11:42pm

 
 
 

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