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Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Dec 26 2013, 6:22pm

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why didn't gildor guide frodo to rivendell? Can't Post

 
why didn't gildor guide frodo to rivendell? he seemed to be aware of the need to lend him succor, but knowing that the nazgul were about, the elves left them before they even awoke. why not escort them to rivendell?


cheers ---

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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


squire
Valinor


Dec 26 2013, 6:40pm

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It's a good question [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the point is that the Elves no longer wish to involve themselves in 'mortal matters'. The best that can be said of Gildor is that he does protect Frodo for the night despite a custom of isolation, and then he forwards messages to other powers. As Bombadil says, he had heard they were coming. Glorfindel later on says Elrond first heard about Frodo's difficulties from Gildor's messages.

This theme gets repeated at the Council of Elrond. The Elves no longer trust themselves to deal wisely with Sauron's threat, and are inclined more to escape across the Sea no matter how much they have loved their homes in Middle-earth. Glorfindel seems to be quite a Power himself, in guarding Frodo from the Nazgul, but Elrond specifically refuses to send him on with the Fellowship, saying his Power would only draw Sauron's attention to the Ring's location. The strategy of Gandalf and the Wise, from the very beginning then, is to chance leaving the Ringbearer on his own, inconspicuous, humble, and alone save a few friends, rather than risk a head-on power struggle with Sauron in which the Ring would inevitably be awoken and siezed by one or the other side.

Not that readers can understand all this at the beginning of the quest, leaving them confused (as per your question) about just what the Elvish power is good for!



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Lightfoot
Rivendell


Dec 26 2013, 8:34pm

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Four hobbits are far less noticable than a group of elves [In reply to] Can't Post

Could you imagine what it would have been like in Bree after a group of hobbits escorted by elves (who apparently glow in the dark) pass through?! I think that would draw a little more attention that was disired. Wink
On a more serious note I agree with Squire that the elves were tired of Middle Earth and were unconfident about thier ability and responsibilty to oppose Sauron.

Faithful servant, yet master's bane,
Lightfoot's foal, swift Snowmane



CuriousG
Valinor


Dec 26 2013, 9:45pm

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Is this a Middle-earth conspiracy theory? [In reply to] Can't Post

Are comic answers allowed? I'd say it's because the last time he was in Rivendell, there was an unfortunate episode with the police, who were summoned by concerned parents on charges of corrupting the youth. You wouldn't want your kids wandering around Eriador with no home and no legal means of supporting themselves for centuries, would you?

Otherwise, I would say that you're right to imply Gildor had a responsibility to do more. He knew these were babes in the wood and that Guardian Gandalf was not there to protect them. But aside from sending messages ahead, which was of crucial help to Frodo, he made it clear that Elves didn't want to meddle in mortal affairs, and he didn't want to meddle in the affairs of wizards, either.

I think Gildor is the microcosm of the bigger issue that good people must stand together against Sauron, but they don't because of their parochial concerns. It's obvious to us what they should do, but not obvious to them.


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Dec 26 2013, 10:41pm

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"You do not ask me or tell me much that concerns yourself, Frodo" [In reply to] Can't Post

"You do not ask me or tell me much that concerns yourself, Frodo", says Gildor. I think that Frodo is (understandably) cagey about telling Gildor the details of his quest. And Frodo has yet to be hit by the gravity of his current situation. Lack of specific information is one reason why Gildor is so very reluctant to give any advice in that discussion.

After Frodo has gone to sleep, the elves pump Sam for more information: that happens "off stage", so we don't know how much the elves learn, or can infer, from Sam. They may not learn enough to fully understand the situation, & conclude that they really should lay off their tarrying and help out.

Of course, any such initiative be from Gildor would be a disaster for Tolkien: he needs his heroes to be given only barely enough help.

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


demnation
Rohan


Dec 26 2013, 10:48pm

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Interesting question [In reply to] Can't Post

It is important to note that both Frodo and Gildor are ignorant of each others motives. As noWizardme says, both of them are quite reluctant to share information. Since Gildor knows nothing of the ring, he is probably very reluctant to involve himself in a situation he knows little about.

Without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless

As far as any character is 'like me' it is Faramir–except that I lack what all my characters possess: Courage.

A small knowledge of history depresses one with the sense of the everlasting mass and weight of human iniquity


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Dec 26 2013, 11:23pm

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ha! : ) [In reply to] Can't Post

 
perhaps elves share cylon dna? we have seen in battlestar galactica that cylons, on occasion, will glow. that occasion is sex, and the locale is the spine.

i will note that i'm recalling from my audible fellowship experience that the omniscient narrator states that elves can move even more quietly than hobbits.

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Dec 26 2013, 11:30pm

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agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

 
squire, agreed re gildor's main (dis)motivation. he sees this issue as one for mortal lands, and he and his kind will be leaving soon. rather a severely self-centric view, considering his kind is of arda for as long as arda lasts, his kind arose on the mainlaind, and the foul forces are legacies of malevolent-yet-divine sources.

i'm willing to consider elrond's assessment of gildor's possible presence on the quest, but -- hey -- a real wizard from across the sea is going. but gandalf doesn't glow in the dark, like glorfindel.

to be fair to elrond's sagacity, he may have had some sort of peek into possible patterns of the future, and was able to see that glorfindel would be a handicap if he was part of the fellowship.

perhaps readers might have mistaken gildor for an eagle. and we know tolkien was very wary of using the eagles ex machina device, or the appearance thereof.

also agree with demnation (downthread) as well.


cheers --

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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo

(This post was edited by Maciliel on Dec 26 2013, 11:36pm)


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Dec 26 2013, 11:34pm

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"gildor" means... [In reply to] Can't Post

 
"gildor" means "lover of rationalization."

in this, i see more of the hand of the author holding the pen than i wish to see. sure, i'm glad that gildor's <strike>abandonment</strike> forbearance got the hobbits, plot-wise, to the old forest. i enjoy the journey through the old forest, and it also serves to toughen them up -- very useful for their quest.

i think gildor gets off on a technicality.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Dec 26 2013, 11:37pm

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great point... [In reply to] Can't Post

 
great point, dem. : )

cheers --
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Dec 26 2013, 11:38pm

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ah... [In reply to] Can't Post

 
our thoughts somewhat mirror each other's, nowime.


cheers --

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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Dec 27 2013, 11:48am

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my new conspiracy theory- the flashing lights Aragorn and Frodo see on Weathertop [In reply to] Can't Post

my new conspiracy theory- the flashing lights Aragorn and Frodo see on Weathertop aren't Gandalf and the Nasgul battling it out.....

It was an "elves and cylons" party

Gives the G III graffiti a whole new interpretation. Laugh

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


FarFromHome
Valinor


Dec 27 2013, 3:30pm

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Don't forget Gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

The Elves know that this is some kind of hush-hush operation of Gandalf's and don't want to meddle in the affairs of wizards any more than they have to. Being Elves, they are wise enough to know that you can do more harm than good by giving too much help, or even too much advice (which is why they say "both no and yes", as Frodo points out!)

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings



Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


Dec 27 2013, 4:25pm

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Divine proxy [In reply to] Can't Post

Perhaps they knew Gandalf's was sent by Eru to ME, and thus was closer to his will. Not infallible, but able to to do a better job.

I think of the problems we have in life. It would be easier if some expert did it for us, but do we learn anything? Do we become better people by ignoring the problem and not dealing with it ourselves?

This logic could be applied to both sides, as a reason for helping and not being helped, but in the end they had to trust that it would work out; that Eru is in the chance of ME and will work it to his favor.

Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Dec 27 2013, 5:37pm

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Another odd thing... [In reply to] Can't Post

The hobbits are adopted for the night by the elves because of an enquiry about what black riders might be. Gildor clearly realised these are Enemy, and there's a hint that he knows they are Nazūl (he won't give Frodo details for fear of terrifying him). He's ahead of us, the audience, at this point in the story: we've barely seen the riders. They seem creepy and urgently want to get to Frodo. BUT at this point they might feasibly be almost anything- a guard of Rangers sent by Gandalf, but unfortunately suffering from allergies, perhaps.

So perhaps it's odd that Gildor guesses so well, so quickly? I think that the Nazgūl aren't obliged to take the firm of riders in black: certainly Radagast makes a point of telling Gandalf that this is the form they have taken, as if this is non-obvious and so useful.

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


Plurmo
Rohan

Dec 27 2013, 5:59pm

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I agree that there was no call for Gildor to guide Frodo. [In reply to] Can't Post

(Obs. here I assume that Frodo telling the elves that he would like their company while walking under the stars could not be interpreted as a request for guidance along the way to Rivendell. I'm no elf, so I'm not sure.)

Frodo never asked him to do so, and Gildor, though he perceived there was purpose in their meeting, couldn't discern what it was. Gildor knew Frodo was in an important mission and possibly understood that he alone was the master of its path. Had Frodo asked of him to take him, then the purpose of the meeting would be clear. But Frodo never asked it and Gildor did what was in his command to do without interfering in the path of the quest: he named Frodo an Elf-friend, awakened Sam's mind and asked Elbereth to protect Frodo. After that we can see that Frodo is the only one of the four companions that passes through the journey unscathed until Weathertop where his lack of will to resist the call of the enemy almost had him caught were not for his plea to Elbereth, as anticipated by Gildor.

If we compare Frodo's journey with Merry's, for example, the difference is striking. Merry was eaten by Old Man Willow, drowned in dream at Bombadil's, carried away by the Barrow-wight, pierced in the heart by the spear of the man of Carn Dūm and drowned again by the touch of the black breath... poor Merry, were he not a hobbit he would never be able to sleep in peace again. As for Frodo, how much of his wisdom and strength to escape the perils of the road and how much of the good will he received along it was owed to Gildor naming him Elf-friend is not clear to me, but I think it helped balance the effect of the Ring as long as Frodo had himself the will to do so.

As for Sam, who had the privilege of being awakened to wisdom by the elves while in the Woody End as if he were the local Ent and would one day become the shepherd of the trees of the Shire (such a ridiculous notion, I know), well, they told Sam not to leave Frodo, and so he did, through all the journey. But If I can think about a single moment when Sam was always beside a helpless Frodo, that would be while Frodo was being healed by Elrond. So, in token of appreciation for Gildor's helpfulness in an indirect way, I would say that Gildor helped the first part of Frodo's quest as much as Sam's touching hand helped Elrond in healing Frodo. Maybe little, but then an indispensable little.

PS: I do struggle to write and because of that I'm unable to insert the proper reference to the previous posters that mentioned the points I make without turning everything into an even greater mess. I apologize for that, It's not disregard, it's pure incompetence.BlushSmile


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Dec 28 2013, 11:33am

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hail, elf-friend? [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for that thoughtful and most interesting post,Plurmo

You make me feel curious about this "elf-friend" thing!
Gildor first uses the term in his pleased acknowledgement that Frodo can manage an Elvish greeting. So that seems pretty straightforward: like calling someone a francophile, perhaps.

But later, when Gildor says "I name you Elf-friend..." It sounds like he's bestowing something upon Frodo, rather than simply commenting upon his interests. Is he putting his people under some form of obligation to Frodo- a "buff" or intangible ring of Barahir?

Possibly a propos of this , Goldberry, who Frodo has not addressed in Elvish, immediately recognizes him as an elf-friend from his voice and the look in his eye. To be sure he has just greeted her with some improvised verse in praise of her beauty, and that sounds a more Elvish than hobbitish behaviour. So maybe she is politely accepting the compliment : and doing so in a kindly way given that Frodo reverts to hobbit, and has just choked with embarrassment. But, is she quite literally perceiving some Elvish aura?

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Dec 28 2013, 11:37am

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oh in glorious love of rationalization [In reply to] Can't Post

Does Gildor really mean "lover of rationalization", or are you teasing?
Smile
And does Inglorion sound like "inglorious" just by coincidence?

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


telain
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Dec 28 2013, 3:05pm

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now, where was I? [In reply to] Can't Post

I always found the geography of this scene a little strange; for some reason I thought that Gildor et al were heading away from Rivendell, i.e., toward the Grey Havens (which would have been an excellent reason not to guide Frodo to Rivendell), but upon more careful read, I see that it is at least ambiguous... (I am unclear as to whether the line "But some of our kinsfolk dwell still in peace in Rivendell." is merely a statement of fact, or a revealing of their destination.) Perhaps it is also because we don't see Gildor again at Rivendell or anywhere else along Frodo's journey.

But others have provided good rationale for Gildor's not donning the hat of Elf-Guide--namely NoWizMe, demnation, FFH, and Plurmo. Frodo didn't ask and Gildor cleaving to Elvish sensibilities regarding advice-giving and wizard-meddling. To this I would add that Gildor seems content to understand this chance meeting between his Company and Frodo's as simply that; a chance meeting. They exchange cagey bits of information and go their own ways.

Not to play the geography card again and so soon, I found this line interesting: "In the morning we shall be gone; but we will send our messages through the lands. The Wandering Companies shall know of your journey,..." To me, this implies that there are many roads to (or at least ways to reach) Rivendell, and that there are many "Wandering Companies" or forces of good that Frodo et al may encounter (like Bombadil). It seems to me that Gildor's path and Frodo's are meant to be different--that they are somehow going in different directions (or in the least have different purposes) and that may be why they don't escort Frodo to Rivendell.


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Dec 28 2013, 4:05pm

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i +think+ i recall [In reply to] Can't Post

 
i +think+ i recall gildor saying something to frodo about seeing him or bilbo when the elvish company was out on a jaunt at one point.

i am also unclear as to whether they were headed towards the gray havens; i have also thought that they might have been on one of their elvish jaunts -- picnicking in the woods. so charming that they can get old man willow to serve them crumpets (i'll bet they regret the day they taught +that+ tree to talk).

i suppose i expect elves to act with munificence and caring, given all their gifts (which includes wisdom, but sometimes does not include empathy... which seems incongruous). feanor, eol, and maeglin seem like special, demented cases. when a thranduil, a thingol, a gildor acts in a less than benevolent fashion, it takes me aback.

good old beleg. love him.

cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Dec 28 2013, 4:07pm

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etymologies [In reply to] Can't Post

 
"maciliel" means "one who never teases, indulges in pranks, or uses wordplay." if that helps any.


cheers --

.


aka. fili orc-enshield
+++++++++++++++++++
the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Dec 28 2013, 7:36pm

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I also heard there is no word for. "Gullible " in the elvish language? [In reply to] Can't Post


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"maciliel" means "one who never teases, indulges in pranks, or uses wordplay." if that helps any.


Wink

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


Dec 28 2013, 7:44pm

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Non-Interferance? [In reply to] Can't Post

If it is as you say, thier withdrawal and fading from the world, it leaves me with one question. They were leaving Middle-Earth, this they felt thier part over, or nearly so. There were no more great Elven hosts in bright armour, no more Alliances; they sought to good thier own and depart. If they were withdrawing from the world, taking an attitude of, 'It's not our problem.' I am given pause. If they, or thier kin, were the ones to welcome Sauron and allow him to make and teach them ringcraft, don't they feel responsible for the consequences? The Seven and Nine were thier crafts, IIRC, and the domination of the Three,'a motivation for him. Don't they feel like they owe Men something? Or did Isildur's one flaw absolve them of it? Had they done thier part in the Last Alliance?

All speculation of course....

Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?


Maciliel
Tol Eressea


Dec 28 2013, 8:33pm

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fascinating!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

 
fascinating! i heard the exact same thing!!!! i also heard that, in orcish, there are 56 different words for "rotting, stinking flesh that i want to eat."

cheers --

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I also heard there is no word for. "Gullible " in the elvish language? by noWizardme


"maciliel" means "one who never teases, indulges in pranks, or uses wordplay." if that helps any.


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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."

this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Dec 28 2013, 8:39pm

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Yes, it depends upon whether the flesh was a relation, & if so whether maternal or paternal [In reply to] Can't Post


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fascinating! i heard the exact same thing!!!! i also heard that, in orcish, there are 56 different words for "rotting, stinking flesh that i want to eat."


Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

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