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Deeper reasons for the lack of perfection

AriesT
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Dec 27 2013, 10:42am


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Ever since AUJ came out, I thought about deeper reasons of why the Hobbit trilogy is not as perfect as the LOTR trilogy was (though I love the films anyway). And I'm worried to see how many of the friendly people here do not like DOS. Aside from the book's short length and complexity, I always believed there is something else about it. It isn't the overuse of CG and I do not think it is the split in three movies in general. There must be something deeper.

So I might have figured out some reasons why PJ is not pushing boundaries and a new level of perfection anymore... or what made the LOTR production so much "better" (for lack of a better word).

1. The "once in a life time" feeling for all the crew in 1999.
We all know the videos and behind the scenes videos from the first trilogy, how excited they all were to make one of the biggest movies ever made. PJ and all the actors and crew members were just astounded and excited about being part of this huge production. You really could see it in their eyes and the way they talked.
This is not the case in 2010 anymore. From the VLogs and behind-the-scenes information, we barely get the feeling that they were still in this "oh this is something special and unique" mindset. The crew already have done it before, everyone talked about how excited they are but something was missing aside from Elijah's reaction.

2. The bond between the actors and the crew
With actors being in their late teens and early 20s, you have some very open-minded and fresh and adventuresome characters as your main actors. The 18 months shooting LOTR created a very strong bond between the actors and a father-like standing for Peter regarding the very young members of the cast. Which can be seen in the Good-bye Elijah video when both Peter and Elijah cried because their journey was over. Many of the actors became friends in real life (Elijah and Dominic for example). You had Viggo playing the hero even when the camera was off and everybody loved him.
And let us not forget about the "9" tattoo. This will remember all of them for the rest of their lifes. Everyday when looking in the mirror.

That being said, I don't see this incredibly strong bond in the Hobbit cast when watching the VLogs and interviews. Of course, they all have fun being part of the crew, they play ping pong and stuff and you see how much they love it when watching them acting in the films. However, there is no dwarvish "13" tattoo or anything like this which reminds them of their journey, there seems to be no new Viggo taking his role to real life and having adventures with the crew (camping, fishing and stuff); and there seems to be no such relationship between the actors becoming buddies afterwards.

3. Peter Jackson lacking passion
Don't get me wrong here. He is a master, he is great and I love him. However, ever since he started the production of the Hobbit, it seemed like he does not have the passion anymore which made him and the production of LOTR so great 10 years ago. Remember the first Vlog of the Hobbit when he says he never intended to do the films. Plus, I always have the feeling he -subconciously- does not appreciate the value of the new films when talking on panels.
Now remember the LOTR production when he looked more interested and passionate about everything and putting much more effort in the every scene. The way he talked to his crew, like he cried and felt deeply sad when Viggo and Elijah had their last takes. Even with the equal if not higher stress factor back then taking care of 8-10 units.

What do you think are the deeper reasons behind the lacking perfection? Let's have some discussion and brainstorming about it. :)

I am Aries and this is my zodiac sign.

(This post was edited by AriesT on Dec 27 2013, 10:49am)

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Deeper reasons for the lack of perfection AriesT Send a private message to AriesT Dec 27 2013, 10:42am
    7 haarp Send a private message to haarp Dec 27 2013, 10:59am
        Wow, that is awful Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 Dec 27 2013, 11:10am
            Huh? pulpfiction16 Send a private message to pulpfiction16 Dec 28 2013, 1:47am
                The original post Starling Send a private message to Starling Dec 28 2013, 2:05am
                The post was edited so Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 Dec 28 2013, 5:32am
    There the source material as well... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 27 2013, 10:59am
    They didn't take tattoos this time, painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Dec 27 2013, 11:06am
    For me, a different set of thoughts. DavidDevant Send a private message to DavidDevant Dec 27 2013, 11:27am
    You certainly make some valid observations... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Dec 27 2013, 12:47pm
        Regardless of that... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Dec 27 2013, 1:09pm
            DoS is a step further in the wrong direction QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Dec 27 2013, 2:07pm
                Though there are of course different views, you would accept DavidDevant Send a private message to DavidDevant Dec 27 2013, 2:13pm
                    My opinion redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 27 2013, 2:57pm
                        I absolutely agree about the critics! Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Dec 27 2013, 8:49pm
                        Ah yes - I agree with you in the main DavidDevant Send a private message to DavidDevant Dec 28 2013, 3:23pm
                    Don't really care what critics say QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Dec 27 2013, 3:26pm
                You got it right ulstudor Send a private message to ulstudor Dec 27 2013, 11:20pm
            Not on par with the LOTR trilogy glor Send a private message to glor Dec 27 2013, 3:50pm
    Source material and production time Scorchster Send a private message to Scorchster Dec 27 2013, 2:05pm
    Feelings IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Dec 27 2013, 2:33pm
    Agree, mostly Disagree Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Dec 27 2013, 2:40pm
        disagree hutch Send a private message to hutch Dec 27 2013, 6:09pm
    I'd throw out another reason arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 27 2013, 2:53pm
        Going further with this Thranderz Send a private message to Thranderz Dec 28 2013, 12:18am
    First, I don't agree that there is a 'lack of perfection' in the new films.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Dec 27 2013, 5:08pm
        Not surprisingly Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Dec 27 2013, 5:25pm
        Fan response to PJ's next Tolkien project: Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Dec 27 2013, 5:32pm
        Yep, I agree.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Dec 27 2013, 8:40pm
        Seconded! Or thirded, or fourthed, or whatever. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Dec 27 2013, 9:30pm
        Hear Hear Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Dec 27 2013, 9:54pm
        Hear, Hear, Hear Dormouse. Noria Send a private message to Noria Dec 27 2013, 10:20pm
        Agree. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Dec 27 2013, 11:46pm
        The Hobbit films are weaker adaptations burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 28 2013, 1:03am
            Spot on, burrahobbit... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Dec 28 2013, 10:38am
                Yes burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 28 2013, 11:15am
            Maybe you do think the adaptation is weaker... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Dec 28 2013, 11:50am
                Well burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Dec 28 2013, 1:17pm
                    Well, I think they do add up to something bigger and more meaningful.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Dec 28 2013, 2:18pm
                    Some people just don't think they are as good. imin Send a private message to imin Dec 28 2013, 2:38pm
            Yes but what do you feel? Michelle Johnston Dec 28 2013, 12:34pm
        Thank you dormouse Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Dec 28 2013, 3:34pm
    disagree book Gandalf Send a private message to book Gandalf Dec 27 2013, 5:33pm
    Too much money usually changes artists for the worst... hutch Send a private message to hutch Dec 27 2013, 5:48pm
        This redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 28 2013, 8:58am
    LOTR Movie perfect Michelle Johnston Dec 27 2013, 6:18pm
    Nostalgia has clouded your mind. morgul lord Send a private message to morgul lord Dec 27 2013, 7:49pm
        Yep. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Dec 27 2013, 8:09pm
        Thank You IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Dec 27 2013, 9:04pm
    another disagreement Avandel Send a private message to Avandel Dec 27 2013, 7:59pm
    Well haldad Send a private message to haldad Dec 27 2013, 9:30pm
    What's "perfect"? Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Dec 27 2013, 10:15pm
    Children's book simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Dec 28 2013, 2:56am
        To add simplyaven Send a private message to simplyaven Dec 28 2013, 3:14am
    .....really? simonjamesmoore Send a private message to simonjamesmoore Dec 28 2013, 4:18pm
        I agree KW Dec 28 2013, 5:14pm
    Nope. The rot was setting in with ROTK and then Kong sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Dec 28 2013, 7:41pm

 
 
 

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