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Smaug's fate...

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Rohan

Dec 23 2013, 9:38am


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I'm guessing this topic is going to create a few heated exchanges but does anything think we might see the films deviate from the books in this reguard? way back when then films were first announced when Smaug might be killed off was an often debated point and I'd argue the spilt into three films makes this point even hotter.

As things are setup in DOS we see that Smaug is on his way to laketown and presumabley will arrive there early in TABA. The issue this creates for me is that your potentially having the most iconic action scene of the book including the death of the main villain and the "peak" of one of the hero's pretty early into the film. Obviously DOS has built up these events but theres a different IMHO between events making logical sense and building towards them in a self contained film.

Whats the alternative? the most obvious change to me would be to have the hinted at alliance between Smaug and Sauron actually happen and then for Bard to kill Smaug during the BOT5A, so Smaug destroys laketown and is then somehow diverted. In terms of the existing story I think you could actually make this change without changing its flow THAT much, Bard could still be heroic saving laketowners, the master could still be incompetent and corrupt and the Dwarves barricading themselves in was originally done to protect against Smaug anyway.

The tougher challenge would IMHO actually be to work Smaug into the Sauron story, how does he relate to his allies? how does he play into any confrontation in Dol Guldor?

The alternative to shifting Smaug's death to me seems like it could be to delay it, perhaps have him attack some kind of outpost town early in TABA rather than Laketown itself? maybe have the master send troops out to attack him on the lake? that would give the film the chance to hold back Bards killing of him until latter in the film allowing both for a buildup of tension and for its significance to the Sauron story to be played up.


(This post was edited by moreorless on Dec 23 2013, 9:38am)

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Smaug's fate... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 23 2013, 9:38am
    I would think they'd kill himm off in Laketown , as the black arrow and wind lance was shown for this... poochies Send a private message to poochies Dec 23 2013, 11:35am
    How can he not... Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 23 2013, 1:53pm
        Exactly. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 23 2013, 3:44pm
        Agreed.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Dec 23 2013, 7:53pm
    Pacing Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Dec 23 2013, 1:57pm
    The issue though is Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Dec 23 2013, 2:24pm
        I've considered this chris10112 Send a private message to chris10112 Dec 23 2013, 2:51pm
            That is an excellent idea! Ham_Sammy Send a private message to Ham_Sammy Dec 23 2013, 3:00pm
        Was his demise actually talked about? moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 23 2013, 3:09pm
            You mean in the book? Eruvandi Send a private message to Eruvandi Dec 23 2013, 6:45pm
                No by Jackson or someone involved in the film... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 23 2013, 7:45pm
                    Oh. Hmmm... Eruvandi Send a private message to Eruvandi Dec 23 2013, 8:22pm
                        That could work! Orc Berserker Send a private message to Orc Berserker Dec 23 2013, 11:31pm
                        his bow Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Dec 24 2013, 2:49am
    Smaug will die, painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Dec 23 2013, 2:25pm
    I'm not sure I see the issue, in principle. DavidDevant Send a private message to DavidDevant Dec 23 2013, 3:51pm
        In fact, now that I think of it, maybe Bilbo will go back to Laketown DavidDevant Send a private message to DavidDevant Dec 23 2013, 4:15pm
            I thought about it Yva Send a private message to Yva Dec 23 2013, 11:54pm
                I just assumed... tsmith675 Send a private message to tsmith675 Dec 24 2013, 12:50am
        The difference to me is the timing... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 23 2013, 7:57pm
            Well I certainly agree DavidDevant Send a private message to DavidDevant Dec 23 2013, 11:32pm
            It's just that Yva Send a private message to Yva Dec 23 2013, 11:42pm
                Great minds... Orc Berserker Send a private message to Orc Berserker Dec 24 2013, 12:16am
                    Surprising prologue :) Yva Send a private message to Yva Dec 24 2013, 1:37am
    i don't know about this.. MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Dec 24 2013, 2:29am

 
 
 

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