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Where are the company at the beginning of DOS?


Dec 23 2013, 2:45am

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Where are the company at the beginning of DOS? Can't Post

At the end of AUJ the Eagles clearly fly the company out of the Misty Mountains and into a more forest-y region. At the beginning of DOS, when Bilbo is looking at Azog, we see the Orcs on Wargs riding across what looks like some very Misty Mountains-esque mountains, implying the company are very near some mountains. The view from the Carrock was endless trees and trees with no such mountains other than the ones they just passed. Anyone have an explanation?


Dec 23 2013, 2:53am

Post #2 of 12 (534 views)
Wilderland [In reply to] Can't Post

And you're quite active in here ;-)

N.E. Brigand

Dec 23 2013, 3:00am

Post #3 of 12 (523 views)
Jackson's Middle-earth is smaller and more mountainous than Tolkien's. [In reply to] Can't Post

Mostly because that's what New Zealand looks like, I think.

(There's arguably an error in my subject line, since the name "Middle-earth" is never used in The Hobbit.)

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Tol Eressea

Dec 23 2013, 3:12am

Post #4 of 12 (507 views)
My assumption [In reply to] Can't Post

is that in PJ's Middle Earth, the Carrock is on the edge of the Misty Mountains. The other possibility is that there are mountains that JRRT didn't draw on his map near the Carrock . I prefer moving the Carrock to adding a previously unknown mountain range.

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Dec 23 2013, 3:15am

Post #5 of 12 (465 views)
Well i think [In reply to] Can't Post

Google middle earth should solve this problem.

Tol Eressea

Dec 23 2013, 4:26am

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... [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
Google middle earth should solve this problem.


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Tol Eressea

Dec 23 2013, 2:01pm

Post #7 of 12 (256 views)
Yeah, it's a little weird [In reply to] Can't Post

Now that i think about it. Why the mountain ranges, they just past the Misty Mountains as did Azog?


Dec 23 2013, 4:00pm

Post #8 of 12 (215 views)
Well the Carrock in AUJ [In reply to] Can't Post

Is mostly surrounded by mountains. The view from there to the Lonely Mountain was fairly free but the party were heading to the elf road, so would have headed south first, rather than follow the line of sight.

The mountains we see in DOS must be along the way, I suppose, in the film geography.


Dec 23 2013, 5:37pm

Post #9 of 12 (173 views)
Around Carrock. [In reply to] Can't Post

Carrock was surrounded by mountains:

In terms of day time vs night time, I assumed the Company made camp around that area to rest up and recover (especially Thorin, who was just attacked by a Warg and Azog). They probably figured they bought themselves some time with flying to rest up. The orcs however were still on the hunt the whole day, as evident in the beginning where you saw the Wargs running across the Mountains.

Tol Eressea

Dec 23 2013, 6:21pm

Post #10 of 12 (149 views)
But they don't look as high and they seem wooded [In reply to] Can't Post

Whereas the mountain range in DOS looked very high and barren, like the highest peaks of the Misty Mountains.

Tol Eressea

Dec 23 2013, 11:48pm

Post #11 of 12 (92 views)
actually [In reply to] Can't Post

the elf road is north of the Carrock.

The Men-i-Naugrim is south, but they didn't want to take that way because it was too far south and too close to Dol Guldur.

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Dec 24 2013, 12:04am

Post #12 of 12 (102 views)
Oh yes in the book but I seem to recall [In reply to] Can't Post

A movie related map indicating that Jackson's Carrock had been moved to the North, relative to its position in the text. Although now that I come to look for it it's not to hand - maybe in that first film companion book that came out?


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