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Did Sauron desire to see Smaug become the Dragon King of the North?

AinurOlorin
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Dec 22 2013, 11:33pm


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In considering the similarities in the powers of Dragon Eyes, Glaurung to Smaug, the other day, it also returned to my attention that Glaurung came to reign, literally, as a Dragon king over the desolation of ruined Nargothrond and its lands. Orcs came into that realm, though never into his lair, and he was their overlord. Might Smaug not have held a similar rule?

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Did Sauron desire to see Smaug become the Dragon King of the North? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 22 2013, 11:33pm
    its possible.. MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Dec 23 2013, 1:42am
        An underking, to be certain, but a king all the same. I think, ultimately, both the Dragon and the Balrog AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 23 2013, 2:23am
            Dragons and Balrogs in politics Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Dec 23 2013, 5:07am
                I don't think control would be necessary. Merely shared interests, and the promise of fulfillment. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 23 2013, 5:58am
                    I agree Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Dec 23 2013, 3:36pm
                        And Sauron was always thus, much more so, generally, than even Morgoth, whose malice AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 23 2013, 10:47pm
                            Yes, the business plan does depend on the partners Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Dec 24 2013, 6:28am
                                About the Balrog, I think it more a matter of ambitions than brains. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 24 2013, 8:26am
                                    Not stupid, just not Evil Overlord material Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Dec 24 2013, 4:06pm
        Sauron, Lord of the Earth Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Dec 27 2013, 10:41am
            oh thats right, your correct, it was isengard MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Dec 27 2013, 7:09pm
    I'm interesting to see where this might lead in TABA... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 23 2013, 3:40am
        but if smaug perishes by the arrow.. MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Dec 23 2013, 4:23am
            Thats my point really... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Dec 23 2013, 8:04am
                But the whole point of the BOFA Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Dec 23 2013, 9:00am
                But that's what sparks the BOT5A MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Dec 23 2013, 8:45pm
    In A Way... Fili Send a private message to Fili Dec 23 2013, 4:24am
    I'm not sure that I see Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Dec 23 2013, 9:17am
    Considering in Tolkien's original conception of The Hobbit, Cillendor Send a private message to Cillendor Dec 24 2013, 8:22am

 
 
 

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