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Statue at the End?

Sebastian the Hedgehog

Dec 13 2013, 9:37am

Post #1 of 19 (740 views)
Statue at the End? Can't Post

How did it just suddenly melt? This really confused me. Maybe it's just because I'm really tired because I've been up for twenty hours.


Dec 13 2013, 9:43am

Post #2 of 19 (474 views)
I'd imagine [In reply to] Can't Post

that it would take a while to set. By removing the stones so quickly, it couldn't maintain its shape.

Sebastian the Hedgehog

Dec 13 2013, 9:49am

Post #3 of 19 (435 views)
Wait, they made the statue then and there? [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought it was an old construction.......


Dec 13 2013, 10:03am

Post #4 of 19 (415 views)
Temperature [In reply to] Can't Post

The mould is made oh iron, maybe. Which melts at around 1500°C. But Gold already melts at 1000°C.
So they melt the gold and let it flow into the old pre made mould. The seams of the mould are cold and the gold at the edges begins to become solid again.
When the mould is dismembered the hot gold in the center begins to melt the entire statue again and the golden dwarf its collapsing.

Works for me. And looks awesome!

Superuser / Moderator

Dec 13 2013, 10:06am

Post #5 of 19 (393 views)
My only problem with that [In reply to] Can't Post

is why is the mould there? Did Thorin remember a project to create the statue which was abandoned at the mould stage when Smaug crashed his way into Erebor? And yet, that is the most plausible answer I have come up with.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.

Ataahua's stories


Dec 13 2013, 10:08am

Post #6 of 19 (369 views)
Most likely [In reply to] Can't Post

It doesn't strike me as surprising that Thror would commission a statue of himself at that late stage in his dragon sickness. It was probably being worked on before Smaug attacked Erebor. I liked the scene; it cleverly plays on Smaug's love of gold.

(This post was edited by marcuspaine on Dec 13 2013, 10:08am)


Dec 13 2013, 10:19am

Post #7 of 19 (352 views)
Well, Thorin maybe remembers the mould. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm sure they didn't built this at the time in the movie.

Sadly nothing like that is seen in the AUJ Prologue.

Or is it?
I should look into this...


Dec 13 2013, 10:19am

Post #8 of 19 (344 views)
My question is [In reply to] Can't Post

What room was it? The main hall? How could the molten gold fill what looked like to me a swimming pool. I thought the molten gold would had covered the whole hall and taken bilbo with it. Hmm?

I wanna see a scene where we see Sauron walking the steps INSIDE of Bara-Dur and taking his seat upon his dark throne and summoning the eye, looking into the camera and then BAM! THE END.

-My thoughts on the best ending scene/post credit scene on TABA.


Dec 13 2013, 10:20am

Post #9 of 19 (348 views)
Actually... [In reply to] Can't Post

for me it was not so much the statue itself that was an issue but the fact that 9 dwarves alone could put all that machinery back to work after all those years...


Dec 13 2013, 11:43am

Post #10 of 19 (291 views)
statue [In reply to] Can't Post

everything was ready for it. Of course Thorin knew about it. He is the grandson, he was there
The swimmingpool in front of it is not so strange Filled with water, it would have reflected the statue magnificantly
But clearly everything was ready for the statue to be made, but just as they wanted to make it .. long long ago the Dragon came.
By putting on the fires with his fire Smaug started the engines and than the only thing that had to be done was to lower the switch. Bilbo does that

L. Ron Halfelven
Grey Havens

Dec 13 2013, 3:51pm

Post #11 of 19 (202 views)
I still don't understand what they thought they'd be accomplishing. [In reply to] Can't Post

Did they put their heads together in the room full of oddly well-preserved Dwarf corpses and decide that-- Of course! Everyone knows how vulnerable fire-breathing dragons are to heat; let's use molten metal!

What business does a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, and a hobbit have in the Rivenmark?


Dec 13 2013, 4:53pm

Post #12 of 19 (176 views)
eh [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Smaug should have left Erebor right after he tells Bilbo hes going to laketown, the whole HORRIBLE CGI melted gold bit was such an annoyance, it had nothing to do in erebor. Smaug covered in gold looked awful aswell.

I think smaug should have left befoe that, and the statue could have been revealed in the last movie, as a reminder to the past and the legacy of Thorin or something when the new king sits on the throne.


Dec 13 2013, 5:12pm

Post #13 of 19 (168 views)
truth [In reply to] Can't Post

looked like mac n' cheese mix.

"the road goes ever on and on..."

L. Ron Halfelven
Grey Havens

Dec 13 2013, 5:30pm

Post #14 of 19 (163 views)
The image of him shaking it off in mid-air was gorgeous, though. [In reply to] Can't Post

And the giant statue at least did one useful thing: it showed just how far gone in megalomania Thror was by the time the dragon arrived.

What business does a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, a dwarf, and a hobbit have in the Rivenmark?


Dec 13 2013, 9:20pm

Post #15 of 19 (125 views)
Up close and personal with Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post

Perhaps Smaug just got too close to the golden Statue.and the high temperature from his fiery body and breath melted the statue causing the dragon to become overwhelmed in its own greedy desires. Just for a moment I thought how beautiful he looked as a golden dragon.


Dec 13 2013, 10:13pm

Post #16 of 19 (111 views)
YES [In reply to] Can't Post

Smaug the golden indeed!

Werde Spinner

Dec 14 2013, 1:10am

Post #17 of 19 (103 views)
Amen to both these points! [In reply to] Can't Post


"I had forgotten that. It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels. The world is all grown strange. Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the Sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark! How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"

"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."


Dec 14 2013, 7:42pm

Post #18 of 19 (81 views)
I think it was an interesting play on his diamond-studded belly. [In reply to] Can't Post

In the book, he'd laid on the treasure for so long that he became encrusted with gems and gold. It served as his armor. I thought this seemed like an interesting interpretation of that.


Dec 14 2013, 7:43pm

Post #19 of 19 (83 views)
em [In reply to] Can't Post

He already ahd comins and jewels stuck btween his scales, And it didnt look to me like any of the melted gold stuck to him.


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