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Elskidor
Rohan


Dec 12 2013, 10:07pm

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Elutherian
Rohan


Dec 12 2013, 10:11pm

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Peter Travers [In reply to] Can't Post

2 1/2 out of 4.

He praises Smaug, but says the rest is boring. It's registered as a negative on RT.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/reviews/the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-20131212

The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...


haldad
Bree


Dec 12 2013, 10:14pm

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A few weeks back.. [In reply to] Can't Post

I predicted that DoS would finish 5-10% higher than AUJ on RT. I'm kind of thinking that will be about the same now, though.

With almost all movies, the score starts high, and then gradually decreases. 85-90% of the remaining half of critics would have to like it to push it above 80%, which isn't going to happen.

I predict 63-67%, which is fine.


Gene.89
Registered User

Dec 12 2013, 10:14pm

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PETER TRAVERS 2,5/4 review (mixed but leans more positive) are rotten on RT.


haldad
Bree


Dec 12 2013, 10:19pm

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I understand that it's up to the critic to say whether a mixed review is positive or negative but... [In reply to] Can't Post

In this case, I'm not really sure what Peter Travers is thinking. The way I see it, a rotten review means that you would not recommend it. After reading that review, it does not seem in any way that he thinks it should be skipped.

I just don't understand...

Tagline for this review on RT: "Director Peter Jackson performs the same kind of miracles with the digital Smaug that he did with Gollum in the Lord of the Rings trilogy."

The only negative thing in the entire review is a backhanded compliment saying that it's a little less long and boring than AUJ.


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Arannir
Valinor


Dec 12 2013, 10:24pm

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Scores [In reply to] Can't Post

Rotten Tomatoes Overall

72

Average Rating: 6.9/10
Reviews counted: 96
Fresh: 69 | Rotten 27



Rotten Tomatoes Top Critics


65
Average Rating: 6.4/10
Critic Reviews: 31
Fresh: 20 | Rotten: 11






“All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."


unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 12 2013, 10:24pm

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someone stated that RT decides [In reply to] Can't Post

if it is registered as fresh or rotten. i have seen them put 3 out of 5 or 2.5 out of 4 reviews either way for this movie, i don't really get the reasoning, but whatever.


demnation
Rohan

Dec 12 2013, 10:25pm

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That review is a little light on ...er, substance [In reply to] Can't Post

Getting to the end of the paragraph and seeing he had no more to say was quite shocking.

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unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 12 2013, 10:26pm

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so far only one critic i respect who hasn't liked it [In reply to] Can't Post

Berardinelli. but even he was a 2.5 out of 4 rating.


Arannir
Valinor


Dec 12 2013, 10:26pm

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Already changed. [In reply to] Can't Post

One more positive, average score back with a 7 at the front... much more important to me than the ratio.


“All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Dec 12 2013, 10:46pm

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I admit I'm a touch uncertain as I head into the theater tomorrow morning. We've had a good deal of reviews stating how much better DOS is than AUJ - but the reviews over the past day have certainly skewed away from that. Considering that the issues I originally had with AUJ were completely different issues from what the critics were complaining about, it's hard for me to judge how I'm going to feel about this film. My primary complaints about AUJ - at the time - were a slow mid-section, the Azog subplot, and the tacked-on ending. Not to mention the expectations I'd built up from The Lord of the Rings. I've warmed up considerably to the film, and enjoy the heck out of it now - but I won't lie, that initial viewing was a letdown. I really don't want that kind of reaction this time around. I'd love to be blown away tomorrow.

*fingers crossed*

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


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Arannir
Valinor


Dec 12 2013, 10:56pm

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It seems weird... [In reply to] Can't Post

... that a score over 2/4 would be a rotten... although they often do the same for 6/10.


“All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."


Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea


Dec 12 2013, 10:58pm

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That's what I always said... [In reply to] Can't Post

...with my test scores in school. Tongue

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


MatthewJer18
Rohan

Dec 12 2013, 10:59pm

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Positive review from Matt Goldberg at Collider [In reply to] Can't Post

http://collider.com/...ion-of-smaug-review/

He's not counted on RT, but it's a good review (and Matt can be a little difficult to please sometimes). He does go against the overwhelmingly positive consensus on Smaug a little, though.


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architecthis
Lorien


Dec 12 2013, 11:00pm

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feel the same [In reply to] Can't Post

but not seeing it until Saturday... let us know what you think.


Arannir
Valinor


Dec 12 2013, 11:08pm

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That [In reply to] Can't Post

That imho is one of the biggest improvements in DoS:



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By comparison, Mirkwood and Lake-town have their own personalities, and more importantly, people talk about other places in Middle-earth. Jackson is showing and telling, and it makes the world feel lived in, but in a different way than Lord of the Rings.



“All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."


Escapist
Gondor


Dec 12 2013, 11:19pm

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It looks like there is a subjective element when judging those scores that are close to a line that must faIl somewhere between 60% and 70%.

I'm trying to hold back, though and wait until scores settled down before I react too much. In the mean time, I'm sure there will be plenty of adjustments / corrections to the reporting of scores and decisions about which responses will be the official scored responses etc. etc. Just because the system has been detailed for us at some point doesn't mean that it can't change.

There are so many reviews coming in that I don't see how anyone could be able to read them all and evaluate them consistently. In the end, it doesn't matter very much anyway since I (and many others) have already pre-determined whether or not they will go to the movie (regardless of these scores). To some extent, these scores will only shape the dialogue / explanations of choices already made.


Elskidor
Rohan


Dec 12 2013, 11:30pm

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I was too optimistic of critics. Changes nothing on my opinion though. I know I'll love it before I've even seen it much like I knew I'd love all of the other films.


wasscally wabbit
The Shire

Dec 12 2013, 11:39pm

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Manola Dargis at NYT [In reply to] Can't Post

Mixed review from New York Times


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The good Mr. Jackson dukes it out with the bad throughout “The Desolation of Smaug.” There are, once again, too many busy, uninterestingly staged battles that lean heavily on obvious, sometimes distracting digital sorcery. But there are also pacific, brooding interludes in which the actors — notably Mr. Freeman, an intensely appealing screen presence — remind you that there’s more to Middle-earth than clamor and struggle.


http://www.nytimes.com/...p;seid=auto&_r=0


MatthewJer18
Rohan

Dec 12 2013, 11:51pm

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Another positive added. Now at 73. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


morgul lord
Rivendell


Dec 13 2013, 12:22am

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It's fresh on RT [In reply to] Can't Post

which is nice, since NY Times is usually pretty hard on fantasy genre stuff.


Arannir
Valinor


Dec 13 2013, 12:52am

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Back to 73... [In reply to] Can't Post

... But there are quite some negatives in the pipe to come, from the Boston Globe and others.


“All good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."


Rickster
Rohan

Dec 13 2013, 12:55am

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RT [In reply to] Can't Post

I had been reading all RT reviews prior to seeing the movie on 11 december 13 (11-12-13, great date for it)
But I think all these guys see too many movies and therefor lose the big picture.
Despite what they write, they see it as one movie (some admit it) and they even wanted a less open ending.
Amazing.
This movie is fantastic in my opionion as was the previous one.
Some wanted to see the book letter=by=letter, but therefor that is a book. Buy it and let your own imagination fill it in.
This is a movie and it is about 8 hours long and we have now seen about 5,5 hours of it (the other half hour will be the extended version half way 2014).
It is a fantastic world with many great fitures.. enjoy it .. the RT reviews i saw did not come close to the movie I saw.
Perhaps because the only movies I saw since 1999 are the LOR and these 2 (in cinema that is). They are worth watching.


morgul lord
Rivendell


Dec 13 2013, 1:02am

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Boston Globe? [In reply to] Can't Post

I just saw a Boston Globe DOS review by Ty Burr, but it sounded fairly positive..?


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Dec 13 2013, 1:09am

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There are some positives missing too [In reply to] Can't Post

Like the LA Times (which should appear eventually) and the long lost Hit Fix (which I have given up on).

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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