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peterLF
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Dec 12 2013, 3:37pm
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Azog taking Bolgs place as Commander of the orc army in the Battle of the Five Armies? (Spoilers!)
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After watching DoS it seems to be very much setting up Azog to be the guy in charge of the war effort, and not Bolg doing it (at least in part) out of wanting revenge. Mainly (obviously) because both are alive when see the army moving out from Dol Guldur.
What say ye? Is Azog going to be top dog? And what will happen to Bolg? Is he the one to be killed by Dain? Is Dain even going to be a major character?
Most of the reasons I think the Azog character actually worked in AUJ with regards to motive/plot/etc would be kind of spoiled if this seems to be the case.
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Wordofmask
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Dec 12 2013, 4:04pm
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But who knows. At this point PJ left us too far behide.
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Arannir
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Dec 12 2013, 4:31pm
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Bolg and Azog will both act as high lieutenants at the battle, I think. With so many heroes there it might not be too bad to have more recognizable villains. Let's Dain get Azog and Beorn Bolg :)
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Adanel
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Dec 12 2013, 8:10pm
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In fact I am not sure that I like this idea myself but I wondered after leaving the film if they were setting it up for Legolas to be the one to kill Bolg. He raced off after him at the end of the film looking murderous but I don't think he will follow him far, surely he will turn back to Laketown and Tauriel when he sees the dragon. If so they have kind of left it with Legolas having a bit of a vendetta to sort out.
Just a thought, I would rather it was Beorn like in the book personally but they have given. Beorn reason to go after Azog which would do.
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sycorax82
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Dec 12 2013, 8:16pm
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Peter and Philippa more or less confirmed Azog was replacing Bolg
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In the appendices (and maybe commentary) they talk about hinging everything on Azog's son seeking revenge didn't sit right with the story, that it needed to be Azog himself to have more impact.
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Mithfânion
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Dec 12 2013, 9:07pm
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Just seen DoS as well and sure, Azog will be the main lead at the Battle of Five Armies.
We've already heard Legolas( Bloom) shot a 12 hour action scene this summer with a major orc opponent. That will probably be Bolg then, who he will end up killing.
They set that up now, and it's possible they face each other early in the 3rd film already, what with Legolas now in hot pursuit of him at the end of DoS.
I'd like for Beorn to kill one of Bolg or Azog though, preferably Azog.
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Orc Berserker
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Dec 12 2013, 10:07pm
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I'm sure i'm not the only one who was really looking forward to seeing Bolg and his bodyguard wipe out dwarves, elves, and men at the BO5A... Surely they will still make an appearance? I'd have thought PJ and WETA would leap at the chance to give the audience some new, powerful Orc designs. The Elite Unit. The 'Best of the 'Best'.
*SPOILER ALERT*
After all these are the Orcs that kill Thorin, Fili, and Kili... Bolg has to have a hand in that surely? He's also wearing Bear paws on his shoulder pads so they could still set up Beorn Vs Bolg as it is in the book.
I have no problem with Azog at all. He can be at the BO5A and kick some major ass. It'll be great... But I do hope he doesn't completely steal Bolg's thunder!
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peterLF
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Dec 13 2013, 7:22am
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I can think of very few things with more impact than revenge.
But I guess it's a product of wanting to tie it together with the expanded role of the necromancer in the story. He's obviously the one calling the shots, and with a much darker motive than revenge and gold.
But like I said, then there needed not be most of the changes that people were not liking in the AUJ. Wrinting seems a bit rushed - as a lot of things, unfortunately.
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peterLF
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Dec 13 2013, 7:29am
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After all these are the Orcs that kill Thorin, Fili, and Kili... Bolg has to have a hand in that surely? He's also wearing Bear paws on his shoulder pads so they could still set up Beorn Vs Bolg as it is in the book.
I have no problem with Azog at all. He can be at the BO5A and kick some major ass. It'll be great... But I do hope he doesn't completely steal Bolg's thunder!
This is what the OP was about... I think it's pretty safe to say that it WON'T be Bolg that has a bodyguard, kills the three dwarves or command the orc army. It will be Azog. Azog is going to be the one who is killed by Beorn.
Bolg is reduced to common general status, and brought in to give Legolas more screen time. Which is a shame.
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MechaGodzilla
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Dec 13 2013, 2:27pm
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I hope not, but fear you could be right
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It seems they're setting up some Bolg vs. Legolas thing, which of course most likely means they'll want to give the two a big fight in the next one, probably ending with Legolas killing Bolg. Which would disappoint me, a lot. 
I'm hoping it will still end with Dain killing Azog and Beorn killing Bolg. Whatever the plan is right now, Jackson keeps changing his mind on how to do things right up until release date, so still plenty of time for him to do this right. I hope.
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peterLF
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Dec 15 2013, 7:40am
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Yeah I think it's pretty safe to say - with Azog clearly being scared of Beorn (from the comments he made in the beginning of DoS).
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peterLF
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Dec 15 2013, 9:35am
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I have a feeling Tauriel is going to get killed by Bolg defending/trying to save Kili - and Legolas will avenge her. That way the loose end by introducing a made-up character is knotted and Legolas has the dwarves to blame for Tauriel's death - tying in neatly with how he feels about them i the Fellowship of the Ring...
It seems set up in this way, but sadly, this means Dain is out of the picture completely - and we might not even see him before the TABA EE.
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