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Weinsteins sue Warner over Hobbit film

Bexlin
Rivendell


Dec 12 2013, 1:12pm

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Weinsteins sue Warner over Hobbit film Can't Post

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...inment-arts-25345007


daemoon
Rivendell


Dec 12 2013, 1:26pm

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Dragon sickness [In reply to] Can't Post

Strikes again. Laugh


TheFlayedMan
Rivendell


Dec 12 2013, 1:31pm

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Wow. [In reply to] Can't Post

Yep, the only reason it became two, and later three films, was to deprive them of their money. Makes sense.

God, some people...

I don't really get what grounds they could possibly sue on, though? Although, I am from Ireland, where suing isn't nearly as common as it is in the U.S.

I will not say: do not weep; for not all tears are an evil.


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Dec 12 2013, 1:44pm

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As an attorney, that is one of the funniest things that I have ever read [In reply to] Can't Post

I had to make sure that it wasn't really from the Onion or some other satirical source, it is that ridiculous. The only reason they made three films was to deny payment to the Weinsteins? That is hubris on level that almost can't be believed.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 12 2013, 1:45pm

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That is indeed a silly thing to say [In reply to] Can't Post

but it still seems like they've got a point. If I wrote a book and sold some studio the film rights, and they made three films out of it, I would expect my share of all three. The argument that DoS and TaBA count as "remakes" of AuJ sounds like the worst sort of legal loopholing.

Edit: It seems that the contract stated they would receive a share of the "first motion picture", but (expressly) not of any "remakes". Of course, no one ever imagined anyone would try to stretch the thing into more than one movie, so now they're in something of a legal no man's land.

This article in the Wall Street Journal has a lot more detail:
http://online.wsj.com/...04579252500937482862


(This post was edited by dave_lf on Dec 12 2013, 1:56pm)


BalrogTrainer
Rivendell

Dec 12 2013, 1:55pm

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Funny to hear... [In reply to] Can't Post

... Harvey Weinstein talk about greed without a trace of irony. Evil He's still probably privately kicking himself for letting LOTR get away.


Anyway, it was PJ & Co. themselves who made the decision to do 3 movies, not Warners. Tongue


(This post was edited by BalrogTrainer on Dec 12 2013, 2:09pm)


Macsen
Lorien


Dec 12 2013, 2:54pm

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Let them come [In reply to] Can't Post

There is still one lawyer in Warners who still draws breath


peterLF
Rivendell

Dec 12 2013, 3:14pm

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I agree... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's a bit like the thing with Unfinished Tales vs the Hobbit rights. If they separate the content in the first film to three movies (and specifically not a remake) I think it goes to follow that the definition of "first motion picture" is reflective of content, not format. If they truly get away with this, they would be able to release a handycam-shot 25$ 15 minute spoof movie of some unimportant detail of the story, and releasing it as the "first motion picture" satisfying their obligations in the contract - and then going on to "properly" shoot 3 films that includes the actual content without paying any percentile.

The word "film" is clearly to be understood as "adaptation" and not "single film". But I guess that would be up to a jury to decide.

If rights have nothing to do with content but only to whatever labels some lower exec sticks on it - I think there's going to be problems.


arithmancer
Grey Havens


Dec 12 2013, 3:29pm

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On the flip side... [In reply to] Can't Post

"AUJ" *was* a serious movie, and a billion-dollar blockbuster. One can never know for sure one way or another, but a 1 movie "Hobbit" would probably have landed in the same neighborhood, netting the Weinsteins roughly the same as their cut of the proceeds. So the argument that WB made three movies in order to deprive the Weinsteins of their fair share, seems ridiculous to me. One might argue they made them to make more money (as I am sure they will compared to a one movie scenario) but that is not money they, or the Weinsteins, could have had with just one film.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Dec 12 2013, 3:36pm

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VtFaithful? Did you realize you are NOW... [In reply to] Can't Post

in Valinor!

Bomby may catch up
to YOU
By New Years...

RockOn
Voronwe...


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Dec 12 2013, 3:40pm

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I will look for you there, my friend [In reply to] Can't Post

Heart

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


Bombadil
Half-elven


Dec 12 2013, 3:50pm

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What about a Mud Wreastlin' Match? [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ ..Dressed as a Mexican Wrestler
(Ala Jack Black)

& Richard Taylor as an Orc?

Those guys get to wear their
SUITs?

Bomby's $$$
izz on PJ&RT


Darkstone
Immortal


Dec 12 2013, 4:00pm

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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Dec 12 2013, 4:06pm

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Sorry, but he is wrong [In reply to] Can't Post

The key part of the language of the contract is not what he bolds, it is this: "first motion picture, if any, based in whole or in part upon such book."
That unambiguously makes it clear that any following films based in part on the book is not covered. It's not even a close call.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

The Hall of Fire


peterLF
Rivendell

Dec 12 2013, 4:11pm

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sure [In reply to] Can't Post

I have no reason to side with anyone here, and I think both are equally wrong actually.

I don't think anything was done to be a personal spite to anyone (especially not coming from WB) so if they go to court donning that angle - they are going to lose. Regarding to content however, I still think they are entitled to proceeds over the content they have the rights to - say for instance, Smaug, or the Bo5A.

This smells so badly of out-of-court settlement as anything I've seen in a long long time.


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 12 2013, 4:20pm

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That does seem to make it open-and-shut [In reply to] Can't Post

None of the news articles mention that part, for some reason (at least that I've seen).

I still think they're getting something of a raw deal, but it's one they signed for. At least they didn't find themselves in peterLF's scenario! (by the way, peter, are you a long-lost relative or something? Wink)


(This post was edited by dave_lf on Dec 12 2013, 4:23pm)


Owain
Tol Eressea


Dec 12 2013, 4:20pm

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Shocking.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Dec 12 2013, 4:59pm

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Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's the Weinstein's....so that says it all.

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pandoraziki
Rivendell

Dec 12 2013, 6:35pm

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Oh Bomby [In reply to] Can't Post

How I Heart your comments. Smile


R11
Lorien

Dec 12 2013, 8:09pm

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Let's be real here [In reply to] Can't Post

Everything about these movies has been geared toward maximizing profits, period. Everything. BS leading man looking dwarfs to bring in the ladies? Check. Inane and juvenile bodily function humor for the grade school kiddies? Check. Massively ridiculous, way over the top, brain dead "action" to entice the gamer crowd? Check. Stretched to as many movies as possible to sell more tickets? Check. The list goes on and on and on. It's patently obvious to anybody that wants to be honest with themselves. The whole project is a pathetic commercial sell out. Understandable from the studio's point of view but PJ has no excuse. I'm sure he's sleeping well at night on his piles of cash though since he apparently has no artistic integrity any longer.


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DjU
Lorien

Dec 12 2013, 8:55pm

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sign of a weak point [In reply to] Can't Post


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I'm sure he's sleeping well at night on his piles of cash though since he apparently has no artistic integrity any longer.


Awww it's quite cute really.

The sleeping on piles of cash line, the sure sign that the poster has just posted a load of nonsense and has quite a pathetic argument. Never fails to make posters look stupid.


Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Dec 12 2013, 9:37pm

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We've known it was going to be at least two films for how many years now? [In reply to] Can't Post

And the 3-film split was announced well before the release of AUJ. They seem to have taken their time about getting all indignant, and of course the timing does just neatly coincide with release-time to provide maximum publicity....this sort of thing does not help my resolve to be less cynical. Tongue

Silverlode

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