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Reviews and reactions part 11
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BartTheBowman
The Shire

Dec 9 2013, 5:55am

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Reviews and reactions part 11 Can't Post

positive new one:
http://theculturednerd.com/...desolation-of-smaug/


morgul lord
Rivendell


Dec 9 2013, 6:14am

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I think this one is new... (latinos post) [In reply to] Can't Post

"'The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug' Movie Review: A Huge Improvement Over Its Predecessor"

Mostly positive, with a few criticisms.

http://www.latinospost.com/...over-predecessor.htm


(This post was edited by morgul lord on Dec 9 2013, 6:18am)


jmeyer2039
The Shire

Dec 9 2013, 6:16am

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Great to read more praise... [In reply to] Can't Post

...for the "emotional depth of character" and not just technical aspects.


starlesswinter
Lorien

Dec 9 2013, 6:29am

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Interesting Smaug bits [In reply to] Can't Post

That's the first review I've read that criticizes the Smaug/Bilbo scene.


Joe20
Lorien


Dec 9 2013, 7:01am

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JoBlo.com Review [In reply to] Can't Post

Very positive. 9/10

http://www.joblo.com/...-desolation-of-smaug


demnation
Rohan

Dec 9 2013, 7:26am

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He criticizes the Smaug scene for drab dialogue [In reply to] Can't Post

But then says: "More time is spent ogling at his appearance than focusing on what is actually being said."
Hard to offer a real critique of the scene if you weren't paying attention to what was being said!

Hello!


morgul lord
Rivendell


Dec 9 2013, 7:34am

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A second Crave review, negative [In reply to] Can't Post

A second review from Crave, something called "Second Opinion". Looks like the guy also hated AUJ (called it a "train wreck"). Says DOS is "a little less boring" than AUJ, and spends a lot of time saying the effects are bad, including Smaug, because CGI is bad.

http://m.craveonline.com/...-desolation-of-smaug


(This post was edited by morgul lord on Dec 9 2013, 7:40am)


Elutherian
Rohan


Dec 9 2013, 7:41am

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That review... [In reply to] Can't Post

.... is literally the single worst thing I have ever had to read in my entire life.

What the **** is wrong with this person as an individual? I felt like I was reading an 8 year-old's review of a movie.

I am now dumber for having read it.

The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...

(This post was edited by Elutherian on Dec 9 2013, 7:43am)


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 9 2013, 7:44am

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Does second openion counted as 1 review? [In reply to] Can't Post

 


(This post was edited by Wordofmask on Dec 9 2013, 7:45am)


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 9 2013, 7:46am

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Perhaps this list should be copied into each new thread? [In reply to] Can't Post

Part 11
Part 10
Part 9
Part 8
Part 7
Part 6
Part 5
Part 4
Part 3
Part 2
Part 1
Part X

Smile



starlesswinter
Lorien

Dec 9 2013, 7:57am

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Strange criticism about digital effects in there [In reply to] Can't Post

So basically filmmakers should never attempt to achieve anything resembling actual integration of effects - they should just hide effects work in the shadows because it camouflages the seams? That seems like a very safe (and not very exciting) way of making films. What happened to the suspension of disbelief inherent in fantasy and cinema in general?

Reviews like this are frustrating because it's clear the critic didn't want to write it. They'd rather be doing something else and watching something else, but they have a deadline, so ok, let's churn another one out.


RaoulJ
Rivendell


Dec 9 2013, 8:10am

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What is this about Gimli? Does he make an appearance? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Bombadil
Half-elven


Dec 9 2013, 9:05am

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Gloin has a Picture of his Wife & Son... [In reply to] Can't Post

A a small Cameo shot that may
or not be seen
when Legalos
catchs them
in Mirkwood....

Likely shown for
"Bridge effect".

Bomby


morgul lord
Rivendell


Dec 9 2013, 9:06am

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Evening Standard, positive (4 stars) [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.standard.co.uk/...-review-8992470.html


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Joe20
Lorien


Dec 9 2013, 9:09am

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Very Positive one [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.uncanny.ch/...iew-before-them-all/


NecromancerRising
Gondor

Dec 9 2013, 9:10am

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Even if it is positive [In reply to] Can't Post

this is on the bottom 5 of the reviews so far.It made me cringe. My little sister would write so much better than this woman.LOL


demnation
Rohan

Dec 9 2013, 9:19am

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Yeah really [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo is as solid as....cheese?

Hello!


Anduinel
The Shire


Dec 9 2013, 9:29am

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Unimpressed with the Evening Standard review, positive or not [In reply to] Can't Post

I admit, I'm bristling a bit over their characterization of Arwen as "drippy". Yeah, we get it -- Tauriel is a martial badass, and that's lovely, really. But did these folks fall asleep during the first trilogy? Did they miss the bit where Arwen gave up eternity for brief happiness with the man she loved? How she put aside grace to enrich the line of Men? Did that somehow come across as a simple choice? Or if that was too subtle for them, how about the scene in the first movie where she saved the freakin' Ringbearer by summoning a thundering wall of horsey death?

Feh.


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 9 2013, 9:43am

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Very good reviews in Sweden [In reply to] Can't Post

The two biggest papers in Sweden, Aftonbladet and Expressen, gave DOS 4/5, which is a great score. Didn't read the review out of fear of spoilers, but I read the headlines and it's looking very good. The Aftonbladet review ranked the new characters, and their favourites were Tauriel and Bard who both got 4/5. Legolas got the lowest with 2/5.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Shagrat
Gondor

Dec 9 2013, 9:47am

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Oh yeah [In reply to] Can't Post

This is the same guy who gave that ridiculous, attention-seeking review to AUJ: EE ("We are witnessing the dawn of a cinematic train wreck") and also gave Diana higher than it. Also, note the hypocritical nature of his Man of Steel review (which he loved, clearly being a fan of the comics):


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Everything is updated to modern day graphics, which is normally an annoying clichť but here itís a comment on what modern cinematic technology means for a Superman movie. The Phantom Zone is now an excessive CGI process, which isnít nearly as creepy as the optical manipulation of the Donner movies, but itís so right that they pour every piece of technology into conveying something inherently simple. Kryptonian hentai monsters, underwater baby farms, what the hell kind of Superman movie is this? An awesome one. Academy Award nominee Amy Adams fights a Kryptonian tentacle!


This movie was a CGI fest, much of it not especially convincing. But nothing bad said about CGI here.


Wordofmask
Lorien

Dec 9 2013, 10:25am

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DoS at Metacritic up to 68 [In reply to] Can't Post

Total Film's review added.


Glorfindela
Valinor


Dec 9 2013, 10:47am

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Not him again [In reply to] Can't Post

You are right Ė he does seem an ignorant, attention-seeking twit.


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This is the same guy who gave that ridiculous, attention-seeking review to AUJ: EE ("We are witnessing the dawn of a cinematic train wreck") and also gave Diana higher than it. Also, note the hypocritical nature of his Man of Steel review (which he loved, clearly being a fan of the comics):


Quote
Everything is updated to modern day graphics, which is normally an annoying clichť but here itís a comment on what modern cinematic technology means for a Superman movie. The Phantom Zone is now an excessive CGI process, which isnít nearly as creepy as the optical manipulation of the Donner movies, but itís so right that they pour every piece of technology into conveying something inherently simple. Kryptonian hentai monsters, underwater baby farms, what the hell kind of Superman movie is this? An awesome one. Academy Award nominee Amy Adams fights a Kryptonian tentacle!


This movie was a CGI fest, much of it not especially convincing. But nothing bad said about CGI here.



Arannir
Valinor


Dec 9 2013, 11:23am

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Maybe we should copy that list by an Imdb member in here. [In reply to] Can't Post

The Hobbit:TDOS Review Thread 32 Positive 4 Negative 89% Positive

Welcome to The Hobbit:TDOS review thread. Post reviews here!

Total Reviews: 36
Total Positive:32
Total Negative:4
Percentage of Positive Reviews: 89%
Average Rating: 7.9 out of 10

Positive Reviews:31
Avg. Rating of Positive Reviews: 8.5 out of 10
Empire Magazine(5 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/n2s7nzf
Topless Robot
http://tinyurl.com/ky6bagk
The Guardian(4 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/kel6p3r
The Hollywood Reporter
http://tinyurl.com/nedszso
Variety
http://tinyurl.com/p5wwfbs
Hitfix(Rated B+)
http://tinyurl.com/kcp2p9n
The Wrap
http://tinyurl.com/mgrxkhe
Time(mini review)
http://tinyurl.com/jvkbzmr
Total Film(4 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/kdf69yk
Ripe Movies(7.5 out of 10)
http://tinyurl.com/n32l2mb
W.L Swarts(7 out of 10)
http://tinyurl.com/lp77djo
Comingsoon.net(8.5 out of 10)
http://tinyurl.com/lxuygwg
IGN(8.5 out of 10)
http://tinyurl.com/ldmqgjv
Screen Daily
http://tinyurl.com/m9o3w5l
The One Ring
http://tinyurl.com/lqfa5rc
Show Buzz Daily
http://tinyurl.com/k3efkcx
Overall Site(7.5 out of 10)
http://tinyurl.com/orx74ca
Coming Soon.net#2(9 out of 10)
http://tinyurl.com/nac8znm
Twitch Film(Rated A)
http://tinyurl.com/nc3o4tl
MSN UK(5 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/oz9oj3j
Crave Online(8 out of 10)
http://tinyurl.com/pgju9yg
Time Out London(8 out of 10)
http://tinyurl.com/mwlmv6e
Hey U Guys(4 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/k2gnkgj
Digital Spy(4 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/n2t5faw
Geek Nation(Mixed but leans positive)
http://tinyurl.com/latba6t
3 News(4.5 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/kxrewh6
DIY(4 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/kpw5yp8
Den of Geek(4 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/l4a5dt2
Forbes
http://tinyurl.com/n4n5uq5
Radio Times
http://tinyurl.com/kx57t5z
Daily Star(5 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/lqxqat4
Latinos Post
http://tinyurl.com/mked3zq


Negative Reviews: 4
Average Rating of Negative Reviews: 4.5 out of 10
Screen Crush(4 out of 10)
http://tinyurl.com/nc2v7w9
The Playlist(Rated C)
http://tinyurl.com/o4y43wg
Telegraph(2 out of 5)
http://tinyurl.com/k62zmxg
Slant Magazine(2 out of 4)
http://tinyurl.com/pb46wgm


ďAll good stories deserve embellishment."

Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.

"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at."


demnation
Rohan

Dec 9 2013, 11:38am

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Thanks for that [In reply to] Can't Post

Not all of those will be on Rotten Tomatoes, but it does appear to be a complete 180 from the previous film.

Hello!


pulpfiction16
Rivendell

Dec 9 2013, 11:52am

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It's an opinion! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think his disdain is that the CG at hand doesn't mesh as well with the world around it as it did in Lord of the Rings, simply because of excessiveness and the manner at which it is lit in a scene.

I don't disagree though, with AUJ, there was much more virtual camera work compared to Lord of the Rings (which I just rewatched). It makes the CG backgrounds stand out as faker .. simply because it emphasizes the impossibility!

The reason though why generally filmmakers should hide effects behind shadows or filters of some kind is that the audience's imagination is far more forgiving when shadow covers up some of the visual effect. It's not new, it's pretty simply. Horror movies had been doing it for years. An epidemic now in Hollywood is that CG is put so front and centre that it very easily comes under scrutiny. Hell, one reason I believe that J.J. Abram's Star Trek reboot stands up today (four years is a lifetime in the CG world) is because those lens-flares that everyone complains about *perfectly* cover up the CG and give it a sense of happening in-camera. The Balrog to this day looks beautiful because of the shadowy nature of the character (and the Two Towers flashback actually looks *worse* because of the nature of the close-ups). CG still has a little ways to go before it will become truly ageless, and dated CG doesn't have quite the same charm as old-Hollywood puppetry and matte paintings.

Either way, claiming that someones issues with the CG in a film is simply because he can't suspend disbelief enough is a bit condescending. He's a movie reviewer! He's supposed to be critical! Hell, as a paying audience we're *supposed* to be critical!

I think he did want to write the review, as it's a second opinion. It doesn't seem like it's Crave's definitive review, so, he probably wanted to get his opinion off his chest. That's fine. Don't suggest that any bad review is just someone writing out of spite.

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