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Screencap of the Day: I want to fight!

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Dec 6 2013, 8:11pm

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Today's image is Merry preparing to go to war. As always, feel free to answer any, some, or none of the questions below as you talk about this scene.

1. What did you think/feel when you first saw this image?

2. Why is Merry so eager to go off to war?

3. Do you think Theoden comes off as the concerned grandfather-figure or the harsh king here? Or some other trope entirely?

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‘This is no journey for such steeds as Stybba, as I have told you,’ said Théoden. ‘And in such a battle as we think to make on the fields of Gondor what would you do, Master Meriadoc, swordthain though you be, and greater of heart than of stature?’
‘As for that, who can tell?’ answered Merry. ‘But why, lord, did you receive me as swordthain, if not to stay by your side? And I would not have it said of me in song only that I was always left behind!’
‘I received you for your safe-keeping,’ answered Théoden; ‘and also to do as I might bid. None of my Riders can bear you as burden. If the battle were before my gates, maybe your deeds would be remembered by the minstrels; but it is a hundred leagues and two to Mundburg where Denethor is lord. I will say no more.’



This is the original dialogue from the books. Are you glad they changed it? Do you think they changed it too much?

5. Any other thoughts or comments?



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Dec 8 2013, 4:41am

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Today's image is Merry preparing to go to war. As always, feel free to answer any, some, or none of the questions below as you talk about this scene.

1. What did you think/feel when you first saw this image?

2. Why is Merry so eager to go off to war?

3. Do you think Theoden comes off as the concerned grandfather-figure or the harsh king here? Or some other trope entirely?

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I was really glad that they left in this scene actually-- and the music at this time was awesome as well before we see the horses all gallop off. This is an excellent shot of "warrior Merry" in which we didn't see enough in the movie.

I liked this exchange and i feel the necessity that Merry feels of going off because he doesn't want to be left behind and he does feel that with all his hobbit companions going off to war. Pippin, Frodo and Sam have all gone out to the East so of course, Merry wants to too. He's a hobbit of action and a hobbit to not just hang around and do nothing.

Theoden sounded a bit too harsh because i feel like if they left more of the dialogue in from the book, it would've been better because the relationship between Merry and Theoden was strong and the movie doesn't illustrate that part but instead chose to emphasize the Eowyn and Theoden relationship. Therefore the movie departed from the book to the effect they didn't show the THeoden and Merry dynamic so that's why leaving out this dialogue for movie people didn't make so much of a difference but for bookies, and fans of Theoden and Merry,, it did make a difference of not showing the relationship.

Especially when Merry says he doesn't want to be "left behind" which is very true because he always is being left behind -another example is when Pippin goes off to war at the Black Gate and he isn't. Merry naturally wants to be part of the action and therefore with more
danger to his friends, the more involved he would want to be.

"By Elbereth and Luthien the fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!" ~Frodo

"And then Gandalf arose and bid all men rise, and they rose, and he said: 'Here is a last hail ere the feast endeth. Last but not least. For I name now those who shall not be forgotten and without whose valour nought else that was done would have availed; and I name before you all Frodo of the Shire and Samwise his servant. And the bards and the minstrels should give them new names: Bronwe athan Harthad and Harthad Uluithiad , Endurance beyond Hope and Hope Unquenchable.." ~Gandalf, The End of the Third Age , from The History of Middle Earth series

 
 

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