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it could possibly be (book spoilers from TH)

Grey Havens

Dec 6 2013, 7:16am

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it could possibly be (book spoilers from TH) [In reply to] Can't Post

that the Ring was part of the reason that Thorin went completely looney over the gold...

I know that dwarves are naturally susceptible to gold sickness, but there are a couple of factors to consider from what we now know.

Thror held one of the 7. The dwarf rings did not cast dominion over the dwarves, but rather increased their lust for gold. It also beget gold, meaning that if one had a little gold to start the ring made that gold increase. Because of the lack of dominion as he had intended, Sauron grew pissed that the dwarves weren't dominated nor did they seek dominion over others-they just sought gold more.

Now, fast forward to the quest. Thorin had been exposed, albeit briefly, to Thror's ring. And throughout the journey he is exposed to the One. Could we not argue that the One could provide the same effect? And since in AUJ they proclaimed him originally to be a bit more about reclaiming their home and the treasure was just a bonus. However, Thorin's "dark side" begins to grow after the goblin tunnels in the book, and guess when Bilbo acquired the One?

Same time.

And when Bilbo became banished after the Arkenstone debacle, then the battle happens, and Thorin enters the fray, turns the tide of the battle, and redeems himself to Bilbo after. This transformation from being in the mountain and being out of it and contributing to the battle occured when he WASN'T around the One anymore (because he banished Bilbo). So basically with the One gone from his presence, Thorin turned back to normal. By the time it was back in his presence, he was on his deathbed, and the Ring would have done him absolutely no good.

Therefore I would imagine that the One contributed (or could have possibly caused) Thorin's gold sickness. Which makes it all the more tragic....

Race is meaningless. We all bleed red-no matter who or what we are. What matters is the heart. For each race has those with good hearts and those with bad hearts. You have a good heart. You do not deserve to die.

Subject User Time
Gandalf and the ring benjamin75 Send a private message to benjamin75 Dec 2 2013, 10:59pm
    Bilbo told most of the dwarves after their escape from the spiders in Mirkwood. Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Dec 3 2013, 12:28am
    There are many magic rings in Middle Earth... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 3 2013, 1:45am
        D: ImetLEGOLAS Send a private message to ImetLEGOLAS Dec 3 2013, 2:00am
            ah but - there were rings and Rings noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Dec 3 2013, 4:56pm
                as noted above... dijomaja Send a private message to dijomaja Dec 4 2013, 12:00pm
                it could possibly be (book spoilers from TH) Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Dec 6 2013, 7:16am
                    Retroactively, yes Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Dec 6 2013, 12:45pm


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