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Thoughts on DOS (Having see it last night) *MAJOR SPOILERS*

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Dec 5 2013, 9:59pm


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My apologies in advance if this is a bit difficult to read. It was hastily written during my lunch break. Let me know if you'd like any clarification!

I had the good fortune of seeing the film last night with Peter Jackson, Dan Hannah, Joe Letteri and Cumberbatch. To pre-empt this I will say that I loved AUJ. I love Tolkien but I'm not a purist in the slightest (I haven't read the Hobbit in years, I'm more fascinated by the First Age era of Middle Earth). My expectations were hampered and I was prepared to just enjoy the movie for whatever it was...

With that said, I'm sad to report there are a lot of things to be disappointed by with DOS. The purists even moreso.

Before I get into the gritty dissection I must say there are a lot of beautiful moments that play very well. I won't spoil them here because I'd much rather you discover them in the theater. I will however pick apart the moments that don't work...

The CGI: The orcs in this film pop out far more than they did in AUJ. This is made doubly worse when they are placed in completely CGI environments which happens quite regularly with Azog and Bolg. It gives the effect of watching a videogame, which I strain to say since it was that criticism the last go around with AUJ that I didn't understand. But in several scenes, especially in Dol Guldur and in Lake Town (in the third act), the CGI unfortunately is inexcusable, likely the result of these scenes being late additions with the reshoots.

Thranduil: Minor criticism is that PJ made the odd choice to give Thranduil a massive facial scar that he can hide or reveal at his choosing. It is a strange choice and it comes across as unnecessary and clumsy in the scene and in the mythology.

Dol Guldur: Thrain has been completely cut or shifted to film 3. As a result these scenes lack any substance or emotional weight. I hate to draw attention back to the effects but there are several moments (likely changed late in the game) where they've completely CGI'd shots to retrospectively remove Thrain and have Gandalf run about by himself.

Necromancer: The necromancer is a sonic cloud being in the film. Odd but I was willing to follow PJ on it. His duel with Gandalf is strange, Gandalf uses a spell very similar to the one at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban. The shots are completely CGI (including Gandalf who becomes digital quite often in Dol Guldur), giving the duel a very bizarre look.

Barrel Sequence: I really was looking forward to this but even I can only tolerate so many PJ gags. This sequence features some of his most bizarre and over-the-top gags. There is an extended CGI Bombur Ninja moment that would have been better left cut, and Legolas has more than a couple cringe inducing superhero feats.

The Third Act:

Honestly this is where I had the most trouble. I'm not a purist in the slightest but I think when Peter ventured into fabricating his own entire third act he lost his way a bit. I'll break it down a bit:

Laketown (Legolas and Tauriel vs. Orcs) - This scene was clearly shot in the reshoots (or at least the bulk of it) and it shows. After establishing how well guarded Laketown is and how it's full of spies and eavesdroppers, Bolg and his orcs manage to sneak in and wage a war with Legolas and Tauriel without a single Laketown soldier or citizen raising the alarm. It's a strange scene that feels as though they retrospectively (and sloppily) wanted to add in an action scene that didn't fit.

Tauriel heals Kili - I don't mind the romance hinted at with Kili and Tauriel. It could have been done it a less hammy way but I was on board. However, having Tauriel beat for beat rehash Arwen's healing scene from FOTR was completely unnecessary. They even used the bright halo effect from FOTR. It's a odd choice and cheapens Arwen's entrance in LOTR.

Dwarves vs. Smaug: This seems to have been a late addition, or at least the bulk of it. I had to rag on about the effects but they honestly at times looked like pre-vis (save Smaug who was always in top form and beautifully rendered). It's outlandish and gravity defying in all the worst ways. It's really Peter Jackson without restraint which is not the best Peter Jackson.
Final note: I think CGI has given him way too much freedom. His focus seems to be more on action and shock than beauty and grandeur. And that extends past the action and the effects, it extends into the story. His belief that he can massively alter scenes at the last minute leaves the film feeling stunted and deformed in places.

I wish he had stuck with miniatures, not because they look better (although I think they do!) but because they force him to think through each and every shot months in advance... not 6 weeks before delivery date. At the Q & A he said that often times he "winged it" and it shows...


(This post was edited by Dcole4 on Dec 5 2013, 10:03pm)

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Thoughts on DOS (Having see it last night) *MAJOR SPOILERS* Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 9:59pm
    Thanks haldad Send a private message to haldad Dec 5 2013, 10:04pm
        Smaug was gorgeous Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:08pm
    So.. a massive CGI rant. Olorin2607 Send a private message to Olorin2607 Dec 5 2013, 10:06pm
        It's more than the CGI... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:23pm
            LOL! Olorin2607 Send a private message to Olorin2607 Dec 5 2013, 10:25pm
            About the miniatures Jax_Teller Send a private message to Jax_Teller Dec 5 2013, 10:25pm
                True haldad Send a private message to haldad Dec 5 2013, 10:28pm
                    It is 3D as well. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 5 2013, 10:31pm
                    i had no problem with the CG set extensions in AUJ unexpectedvisitor Send a private message to unexpectedvisitor Dec 5 2013, 10:33pm
                    Speak for yourself Jax_Teller Send a private message to Jax_Teller Dec 5 2013, 10:34pm
                        I meant haldad Send a private message to haldad Dec 5 2013, 10:41pm
        I get your meaning, but here is why I don't agree. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 5 2013, 10:57pm
        respectfully regarding too much CGI ByThorinsBeard Send a private message to ByThorinsBeard Dec 7 2013, 11:02pm
    Wow TheFlayedMan Send a private message to TheFlayedMan Dec 5 2013, 10:06pm
    Can you remember... Glˇin the Dark Send a private message to Glˇin the Dark Dec 5 2013, 10:07pm
        The title... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:09pm
            Thanks! // Glˇin the Dark Send a private message to Glˇin the Dark Dec 5 2013, 10:11pm
    Thanks for your thoughts... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Dec 5 2013, 10:08pm
        Yes! Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:11pm
            Well haldad Send a private message to haldad Dec 5 2013, 10:16pm
                It would probably have made sense Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Dec 5 2013, 10:18pm
                    or NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Dec 5 2013, 10:20pm
                    A little question about Bilbo..... bilbothin Send a private message to bilbothin Dec 7 2013, 3:39pm
                More likely... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 6 2013, 12:16am
            Was that in Laketown? arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 5 2013, 10:27pm
        Laketown... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:12pm
            Would you elaborate on Thranduils scar? Olorin2607 Send a private message to Olorin2607 Dec 5 2013, 10:13pm
                They've done the trick before... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:18pm
            I already mentioned it above, but... TheFlayedMan Send a private message to TheFlayedMan Dec 5 2013, 10:14pm
            Thanks. Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Dec 5 2013, 10:16pm
        The High Fells NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Dec 5 2013, 10:13pm
            Yup Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:10am
        Answer Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:08am
            Was it ever confirmed that Dol Guldur was ABOUT Thrain? starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Dec 6 2013, 6:43am
    Is there any way that you could verify your attendance at this screening? MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 5 2013, 10:09pm
        I live in Los Angeles where these screenings are typical Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:17pm
            Interesting about the barrels scene, if true MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 5 2013, 10:22pm
                I have the feeling... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 5 2013, 10:25pm
                I understand Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:26pm
                    Just out of curiosity... MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 5 2013, 10:28pm
                        Some of the best moments of the movie... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:20am
                            Smaug MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 6 2013, 3:23am
                                I won't spoil anything... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:30am
                            Did you like Stephen Fry as the Master? thomasofrohan Send a private message to thomasofrohan Dec 6 2013, 6:09am
                                Stephen Fry was incredible... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 6:17am
                    So... sarahb1863 Send a private message to sarahb1863 Dec 5 2013, 10:29pm
            Can't you talk about some of the good things with a spoiler warning? Carne Send a private message to Carne Dec 5 2013, 10:27pm
    Thanks for your review NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising Dec 5 2013, 10:10pm
    The main complaint here seems to be CGI.... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Dec 5 2013, 10:12pm
    .... Elskidor Send a private message to Elskidor Dec 5 2013, 10:13pm
        Me too... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 5 2013, 10:17pm
    Sucks to hear that you didn't like it that much Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Dec 5 2013, 10:17pm
        He's definitely Bolg Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:19pm
            Don't harrass him too much fellows. :) Olorin2607 Send a private message to Olorin2607 Dec 5 2013, 10:20pm
            How does Bolg look exactly? Olorin2607 Send a private message to Olorin2607 Dec 5 2013, 10:38pm
    Would you please take your time to answer this question? StoneHex104 Send a private message to StoneHex104 Dec 5 2013, 10:18pm
        I won't say... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:15am
            Thank you for replying and taking your time to answer these questions! StoneHex104 Send a private message to StoneHex104 Dec 6 2013, 3:28am
    thanks for sharing unexpectedvisitor Send a private message to unexpectedvisitor Dec 5 2013, 10:31pm
    But what about the most important question... Drakblod Send a private message to Drakblod Dec 5 2013, 10:33pm
        Wyvern Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 5 2013, 10:36pm
            It's a miracle! Aitieuriskon Send a private message to Aitieuriskon Dec 6 2013, 12:00am
        He has 2 legs Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Dec 5 2013, 10:39pm
        2 legs... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:44pm
    Oh dear... Macsen Send a private message to Macsen Dec 5 2013, 10:44pm
        Meh Jax_Teller Send a private message to Jax_Teller Dec 5 2013, 10:47pm
            Emotion Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Dec 5 2013, 10:51pm
                I'm with you! Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 10:52pm
                    It leaves your impressions feeling one-sided, though MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 5 2013, 10:54pm
                    last try NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Dec 5 2013, 10:54pm
                    Hmmm...thats strange! NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising Dec 5 2013, 10:56pm
                        I think, and fully appreciate, because good surprises delight and make one enjoy a film more, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 5 2013, 11:24pm
                            Fair enough, but... MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 5 2013, 11:27pm
                            I agree with this Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Dec 5 2013, 11:28pm
                                Au contraire Jax_Teller Send a private message to Jax_Teller Dec 5 2013, 11:38pm
                        Agree shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog Dec 5 2013, 11:36pm
            I disagree Macsen Send a private message to Macsen Dec 5 2013, 10:53pm
                Well by the process of Elimination...seems Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Dec 5 2013, 11:02pm
                    All great Bomby! Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 11:10pm
                        I don't understand... Avnar Send a private message to Avnar Dec 5 2013, 11:19pm
                            I'm going to try to go through this thread tonight... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 11:29pm
                                kind of you ! :-) NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Dec 5 2013, 11:31pm
                                Thranduil's scar daemoon Send a private message to daemoon Dec 5 2013, 11:33pm
            Yeah... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 5 2013, 10:57pm
                Indeed MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 5 2013, 11:01pm
            To be honest Skaan Send a private message to Skaan Dec 5 2013, 10:59pm
                ........... Jax_Teller Send a private message to Jax_Teller Dec 5 2013, 11:05pm
                Um.... Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Dec 6 2013, 3:52am
            I think people... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 11:06pm
                No,that is not true NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising Dec 5 2013, 11:08pm
                    Praise for the barrel sequence has been consistent (so far) MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 5 2013, 11:09pm
                        Sadly... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 11:16pm
                            I'm not sure Man of Steel is a fair comparison MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 5 2013, 11:18pm
                                Pffft. How do you know they don't? You just haven't met any Krypton natives. On Mars, I'M A Superhero AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 6 2013, 12:13am
                            Thanks. NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising Dec 5 2013, 11:18pm
                                yup, sounds fun to me! unexpectedvisitor Send a private message to unexpectedvisitor Dec 5 2013, 11:20pm
                            Bombur izz Bomby's Bosom Buddy... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Dec 5 2013, 11:22pm
                            Ugh. Avnar Send a private message to Avnar Dec 5 2013, 11:26pm
                            Now this sounds just awful. Why aren't there anyone that can tell Peter that ideas are bad? Drakblod Send a private message to Drakblod Dec 5 2013, 11:34pm
                                The same thing happened to George Lucas... Avnar Send a private message to Avnar Dec 5 2013, 11:50pm
                                    Ridiculous Jax_Teller Send a private message to Jax_Teller Dec 5 2013, 11:54pm
                                        Give me a break... Avnar Send a private message to Avnar Dec 6 2013, 12:18am
                                            Completely unfair to PJ & Co. LPUAdit Send a private message to LPUAdit Dec 6 2013, 4:06am
                                                I do agree, too much judgement being passed on one review Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 Dec 6 2013, 4:27am
                                                    100% agree LPUAdit Send a private message to LPUAdit Dec 6 2013, 5:08am
                                                        Bolg??? boldog Send a private message to boldog Dec 6 2013, 5:27am
                                                            High Fells NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Dec 6 2013, 5:32am
                                                            Bolg was a huge disappointment Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 5:35am
                                                                but what does bolg look like?? boldog Send a private message to boldog Dec 6 2013, 5:40am
                                                                    and also boldog Send a private message to boldog Dec 6 2013, 5:41am
                                                                        Kili/Tauriel Romance is very real Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 6:00am
                                                                            so... Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Dec 6 2013, 6:47am
                                                                                This is critical Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Dec 6 2013, 10:59am
                                                                                    Yes, something like that would be good. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 6 2013, 11:17am
                                                                                        To all of those acigos00 Send a private message to acigos00 Dec 6 2013, 1:15pm
                                                                                            Thank you ľnice one, acigos00 Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela Dec 6 2013, 11:58pm
                                                                                    Spoiler on Kili/Tauriel Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 4:49pm
                                                                                        Mmm Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Dec 6 2013, 5:02pm
                                                                                            I think it's sincere... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 5:38pm
                                                                Thanks for sharing DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Dec 6 2013, 5:50am
                                                                    hm NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Dec 6 2013, 5:53am
                                                                        A good scene... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 5:57am
                                                                            Could you plese answer my Bolg question?? boldog Send a private message to boldog Dec 6 2013, 5:59am
                                                                                Bolg's appearance Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 6:02am
                                                                            thanks ! NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Dec 6 2013, 6:02am
                                                                                Yup! Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 6:06am
                                                                                    Now,that is a totally NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising Dec 6 2013, 6:33am
                                        Some of us would be fine with that. RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Dec 6 2013, 12:54am
                            ... Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Dec 7 2013, 1:30am
                would you say anything sticks out worse than the Warg chase in AUJ? unexpectedvisitor Send a private message to unexpectedvisitor Dec 5 2013, 11:08pm
        well, yeah, it doesn't have the emotional weight of LotR unexpectedvisitor Send a private message to unexpectedvisitor Dec 5 2013, 10:56pm
    Great Info! Thank you. Sounds like an expected mixed deal of great and Gah! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 5 2013, 10:51pm
        ugh... Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Dec 5 2013, 10:55pm
            Thranduil's screentime Papagianni Send a private message to Papagianni Dec 5 2013, 10:59pm
                Thranduil Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 5 2013, 11:08pm
                One last question about Thranduil... Papagianni Send a private message to Papagianni Dec 5 2013, 11:19pm
                    No... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:31am
                        Could you elaborate on the scar? MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 6 2013, 3:32am
                            It's a brief moment... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:35am
                                Bard... Avnar Send a private message to Avnar Dec 6 2013, 3:48am
                                    Laketown is great Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:50am
        The whole light thing is NEVER... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 5 2013, 11:06pm
            Whatever. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 5 2013, 11:33pm
                I think this is rather creating a problem which doesn't exist. DavidDevant Send a private message to DavidDevant Dec 5 2013, 11:42pm
                Excuses? Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 5 2013, 11:48pm
                    Not intending to patronize. Just vexed. lol. Yeah, it hurts the legendarium cosmology if AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 6 2013, 12:21am
                        Well... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 6 2013, 12:41am
                            Fair enough. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 6 2013, 1:00am
                                I agree with you architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Dec 6 2013, 3:15am
                            besides, even Arwen should not glow ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Dec 6 2013, 1:37am
                                I gave Arwen leeway due to her ancestor, Melain. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 6 2013, 3:23am
                                    For sure ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Dec 6 2013, 3:29am
                Might this not be an illusion? starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Dec 6 2013, 6:40am
    Why are some deciding what they think of the movie... unexpectedvisitor Send a private message to unexpectedvisitor Dec 5 2013, 11:01pm
        People are speculating on what the film will be like architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Dec 6 2013, 3:24am
        Definitely go in with an open mind! Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:27am
    I have already lowered expectations. The 3 film split has really messed up TH sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Dec 5 2013, 11:04pm
        I'm with you on this one, seeng as AUJ was way too long to at the beginning at Bildos house... poochies Send a private message to poochies Dec 6 2013, 1:11am
            two or three AncalagontheBlack Send a private message to AncalagontheBlack Dec 6 2013, 1:22am
            Early reactions suggest otherwise Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 Dec 6 2013, 2:53am
                please take note ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Dec 6 2013, 3:06am
                    Oh I didn't reply to the OP Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 Dec 6 2013, 4:20am
    CGI daemoon Send a private message to daemoon Dec 5 2013, 11:21pm
        Well, OKAY soooo Far, it's been all About Visuals...soo Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Dec 5 2013, 11:27pm
            The score was great... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:28am
                Is this true? Dwarvenfury Send a private message to Dwarvenfury Dec 6 2013, 3:40am
                But Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Dec 7 2013, 1:40am
                    That's true... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 7 2013, 1:44am
                        Well Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Dec 7 2013, 1:51am
    What a shame architecthis Send a private message to architecthis Dec 6 2013, 2:09am
        I don't think so. Name Send a private message to Name Dec 6 2013, 2:30am
            You have seen it? VoronwŰ_the_Faithful Send a private message to VoronwŰ_the_Faithful Dec 6 2013, 2:35am
        Seriously? Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 6 2013, 10:11am
            whenever..... boldog Send a private message to boldog Dec 6 2013, 10:40am
                Don't be depressed! Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 4:55pm
    Beorn thomasofrohan Send a private message to thomasofrohan Dec 6 2013, 3:12am
        Answers Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:14am
            So do his scenes go by very fast, then? thomasofrohan Send a private message to thomasofrohan Dec 6 2013, 3:16am
                They make good enough use of him... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:17am
                    Could you break down how his scenes play out, if you wouldn't mind? thomasofrohan Send a private message to thomasofrohan Dec 6 2013, 3:21am
            This was one of my more feared scenario since speculation. Not the WORST case, mind, as AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 6 2013, 3:41am
                I hate reading your ideas... Avnar Send a private message to Avnar Dec 6 2013, 3:50am
                    Oh boy Jax_Teller Send a private message to Jax_Teller Dec 6 2013, 9:19am
                        One critic to rule them all Wordofmask Send a private message to Wordofmask Dec 6 2013, 9:53am
                The Nazgul do not appear in this film. Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:51am
                I guess The Nine just aren't sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 6 2013, 3:57am
    One small question VoronwŰ_the_Faithful Send a private message to VoronwŰ_the_Faithful Dec 6 2013, 3:37am
        No... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:56am
            Thanks for answering VoronwŰ_the_Faithful Send a private message to VoronwŰ_the_Faithful Dec 6 2013, 4:07am
    Happy to answer more questions... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 3:49am
        If you could at use spoiler tags... MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Dec 6 2013, 3:52am
        Thank you very much, Dcole4! Altaira Send a private message to Altaira Dec 6 2013, 4:29am
        Seems that the many Plot threads here, once agian Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Dec 6 2013, 5:34am
            I definitely agree! Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 6:09am
                any idea NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Dec 6 2013, 6:14am
                    Here's my theory... Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 6:22am
                        lets hope NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Dec 6 2013, 6:28am
        Thank you again. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 6 2013, 10:47am
    Score out of 10? LPUAdit Send a private message to LPUAdit Dec 6 2013, 3:55am
    Dcole, could you marcuspaine Send a private message to marcuspaine Dec 6 2013, 6:07am
    the Tauriel/Kili scene would probably explain tarasaurus Send a private message to tarasaurus Dec 6 2013, 7:04am
    I promise I will never bug you again in my life ... Sildarion~Valenar Send a private message to Sildarion~Valenar Dec 6 2013, 7:25am
        Answers Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 5:01pm
    Dale lidlessEye Send a private message to lidlessEye Dec 6 2013, 7:33am
        eh deskp Send a private message to deskp Dec 6 2013, 8:25am
    I have an idea... Fili Send a private message to Fili Dec 6 2013, 7:45am
    Mirkwood spiders Sequence!!! Peterthorn of Rohan Send a private message to Peterthorn of Rohan Dec 6 2013, 8:23am
        He said that NecromancerRising Send a private message to NecromancerRising Dec 6 2013, 8:25am
    I've got the feeling that I'm going to like DOS - Hanzkaz Dec 6 2013, 1:26pm
        The feast of starlight Papagianni Send a private message to Papagianni Dec 6 2013, 2:21pm
    Dcole: What color is Smaug?? kdawg Send a private message to kdawg Dec 6 2013, 5:03pm
        I won't spoil too much Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 5:35pm
            Does he remain that way then? Olorin2607 Send a private message to Olorin2607 Dec 6 2013, 5:44pm
                Sadly no Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 6 2013, 5:55pm
                    In your opinion 1415dr Send a private message to 1415dr Dec 6 2013, 6:52pm
                    effects Snowghost77 Send a private message to Snowghost77 Dec 6 2013, 10:50pm
                        I understand this sentiment completely. Dcole4 Send a private message to Dcole4 Dec 7 2013, 1:51am
                            I might be the only one here sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 7 2013, 10:44am

 
 
 

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