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Great post Daniel!


Nov 30 2013, 6:21pm

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1. What is your favourite shot and quote from this scene? I *love* Bofur's response to Dori's comment about the Trolls - "They're half-wits!" ... "what does that make US?"
2. Conversely, what is your least favourite quote from this scene? I think the 'floater' bit.
3. What do you think of the Trollshaw set? Is the lighting dark enough, is it large enough? It feels a bit smaller than the book describes, in which I think the terrain was more flat, but the way SPJ set it up, it works with the idea that they want the deepest and most shadowed dell to keep away from the sun as late as possible. Like Gollum's Cave, it could have been more shadowy, but then you run the risk of simply not seeing everything.
4. Any other thoughts about the scene set-up? I wish they had paid a bit more attention to which ponies had bridles and which didn't...sort of goes in and out there. But its a tiny niggle really.
5. Any comments on the score? The Misty Mountains theme sounds so right when the Dwarves charge in!

The Trolls

1. How did you envisage the Trolls when reading the book? More humanoid with odd faces I guess, and just larger scale, because of the illustration in TH. But it never sat quite right! I like the look that has been used here in the films.
2. Do they talk and walk the way you thought they would? Not drawing room fashion at all! I think they sound quite perfect!
3. Do you have a favourite of the three? And why are they your favourite? I think it must be William/Bill.
4. How does the CGI of the Trolls compare to other characters in the film? I think their CGI is amazing. I find it pretty flawless and its impressive on such a large scale. Using three of the actors who play Dwarves I think was a stroke of genius - they 'get' the characters and it works on every level.

Changes from the book

1. What is your least favourite change from the book? Of course, the Purse missing. Unsure

2. Do you think anything works better in this scene than in the book?

3. In the film, Bilbo keeps the Trolls arguing, while in the book Gandalf imitates their voices. What do you think of this change? It certainly gives Bilbo a heroic moment, but does it work any better? This answer combines for me - I'm not sure how the voice game would play on film and I'm afraid it would have made Gandalf seem a bit too silly. Granted I love his gentle and cranky humor but I would never want him to look foolish. I love the alliterative game they play with "ferret" and "fools" as they swing the camera around in that scene.

4. What do you think of Gandalf's stone cracking manoeuvre? Is it too similar to the Khazad-dm scene in The Fellowship of the Ring? That is one reason I love it: its clearly a move that is familiar to and can be associated with Gandalf: add to this the boulder-cracking in Goblintown and you get a cohesive sense of the power of this Wizard. Its a rather magical, fantasy-themed The Buck Stops Here, in a way I think! I like it because its clearly not anything we see *anyone* else do and that sets Gandalf apart. A force to move the very earth. So I love it.

5. If you had been the director, what one detail from the book would you have made sure to have included? You've answered that for me below. How can we overlook it...?Laugh

Ere, 'oo are you?

The whimsical charm of the book was not fully realised in the film, especially by not including the Talking Purse.

1. Yes or no. Did you want the Talking Purse included in the film?

2. The Talking Purse is a pivotal character in this chapter. Why do you think he was removed from the scene?
3. In what ways could the Talking Purse have helped the scene?
4. If you squint really hard, the knife kind of looks like a purse. Who should have voiced the Talking Purse?

It would have been adorable! And very Tolkien. My only fear is that it might have confused a casual audience...especially since other bits of whimsy were not included (like the magical instruments - Misty Mountains Cold was quite grimly touching instead.) For *us* of course it would have made the scene immeasurably better, but I'm afraid you might have made quite a fuss in the theater and been escorted out. So potentially all your posting really compromised the Purse's appearance. If he was already cast, I hope they gave him another job on set. Or as I wrote about in The Tolkienia Times, maybe they set him free in the wild.

(William Kircher would have been perfect, but he's taken ... I bet Andy Serkis could have done a lovely Purse voice. We could try to have a mashup I suppose of the richest, sexiest voice ever doing a Cockney squeak and have Richard give it a try. Then the Purse would have a whole new following.) Laugh

Random questions!

1. What were the Dwarves eating? Not sure but it was pretty greasy looking. Crisco soup? It has the same shiny, floaty top that Eowyn's stew has.

2. What bird(s) makes the noise when Bilbo finds Fili and Kili? You've got me there. I have to watch it again and listen for it.

3. Was the farmer the Trolls had eaten Tom Bombadil, explaining his absence in The Fellowship of the Ring? Well if we saw a bright blue jacket and yellow boots in the Troll cave, we would have to bow our heads in grief...I hope Tom's end was not to be stuck in a Troll's teeth.

4. What does raw dwarf taste like? This is the sort of question which is likely to get me into trouble on this family board, so I am going to gracefully side step it by saying that all the Dwarves were well done, so raw does not apply. Cool

Any other thoughts? When Thorin is deciding what to do when the Trolls have Bilbo...not only is he looking at Bilbo he's looking *right* into Bilbo's eyes if you follow the eyelines...no wonder even tough and battle-hardened Thorin is touched.

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(This post was edited by Brethil on Nov 30 2013, 6:22pm)

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Chapter of the Week: Roast Mutton. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 29 2013, 8:28pm
    ere you go book Gandalf Send a private message to book Gandalf Nov 29 2013, 8:53pm
        Not any ol' bird! Thranderz Send a private message to Thranderz Nov 29 2013, 11:03pm
    Trolls! Kim Send a private message to Kim Nov 30 2013, 1:22am
        Never! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 30 2013, 10:35am
        Thank you for including the pic Kim. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 7:18pm
        *glancing at the picture at the bottom* Great minds think alike, Kim! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Dec 1 2013, 8:07pm
            High five right back atcha! :-) // Kim Send a private message to Kim Dec 1 2013, 11:05pm
    Great post Daniel! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 6:21pm
        *High fives* DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 30 2013, 8:31pm
        With a side serving of Nutella? elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Nov 30 2013, 10:15pm
            Indeed. With this *Large* size container we should do quite well. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 10:25pm
                Hey! Kim Send a private message to Kim Dec 1 2013, 4:49am
    *glancing down the page and then rolling eyes at the fourth caption* I knew that was going to come in at some point, Daniel! :P FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Dec 1 2013, 8:05pm


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