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Did Azog and Bolg overreach and damage Sauron's larger design?

AinurOlorin
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Nov 30 2013, 6:25am


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Azog commits an offense against the heir to the Eldest of the Dwarven Forefathers, sparking a near genocidal war by the dwarves against the orcs, clearing most of the orcs from The Misty mountains, culminating in the deaths of some of the fiercest orc warriors of The Third Age, Azog and his guard, and it would have ended in the Dwarves reclaiming Moria, if not for the continued presence of the Demon who originally slew Durin and drove the Dwarves into an exile.

Bolg leads another massive army into a battle that, had he waited, would have played out with many of Sauron's foes combating against one another and doing much of his work for him. Bolg and his march provide Gandalf with just the foil he needs to show up in the nick of time and entirely divert the attentions, intentions and focus of Elves, Dwarves and Men from fighting each other, to warring with the Orcs in a battle which saw some two thirds of the goblins-orcs of the North at that time eradicated.

And what happens absent those events? The Fellowship probably does not dare to enter Moria, knowing it to be home to an established orc kingdom in the tens of thousands, rather than the, at best, thousand or so orcs milling around in there at the time of THe War of The Ring. NOT passing through Moria means no battle between Gandalf and the Balrog, which in turn leaves Sauron with all the elements and aides he would have needed (save Smaug) to launch a PROPER war in The North. Instead of dividing his Dol Guldur orcs to attack Lothlorien and Thranduil, he can focus the majority of the Dol Guldur orcs against Thranduil, sending the entire host of Moria against Lothlorien, possibly led by a Balrog, the only being in Middle-Earth aside from Sauron who would have had a plausible willingness and ability to breach the fences and defences of Galadriel (the Dol Guldur Nazgul might even have been willing to approach Lothlorien, if they had a legitimate Valaraukar to go ahead of them).

Further North, the armies of Erebor, Dale and The Greenwood Elves, diminished by a war with one another in which the orcs took no part and lost no warriors, could be beset by the full numbers of Bolg and company. Its a much darker picture than what eventually happens, and it would likely have been far different, had Azog and Bolg been a little less self motivated.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Did Azog and Bolg overreach and damage Sauron's larger design? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 30 2013, 6:25am
    excellent post Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Nov 30 2013, 6:54am
        Thank you! Pleased AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 30 2013, 6:56am
        Difference is... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Nov 30 2013, 2:18pm
    In the end... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Nov 30 2013, 10:48am
        lol about Bolg. I think Azog to though. That overreach REALLY cost dearly AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 30 2013, 6:36pm
    A quite brilliant post AinurOlorin... ThorinIIIStonehelm Send a private message to ThorinIIIStonehelm Nov 30 2013, 12:52pm
        Thank you! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 30 2013, 6:43pm
            But Faleel Send a private message to Faleel Nov 30 2013, 6:49pm
                Yet, unable to foresee all ends, he didn't give specific do and do not do instructions AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 30 2013, 8:54pm
            With regards to the beheading of Thror... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Nov 30 2013, 8:44pm
                Probably not, but his boasting and malice overshot their aim. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 30 2013, 9:03pm
                    Oh, he definitely bit off more than he could chew... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Nov 30 2013, 9:17pm
                        That may be, but at the core, the same truth applies. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 30 2013, 9:25pm
                I think Azog's actual words may suggest otherwise Lio Send a private message to Lio Dec 1 2013, 9:37pm
                    Thank you. And in light of those words, you may be right. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 1 2013, 10:59pm
                        Hmm, I can imagine Azog hiding behind the Balrog XD Lio Send a private message to Lio Dec 2 2013, 12:58am
    Isn't that the problem with the Evil? Here's a guide "How to rule the world as a Dark Lord" Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Nov 30 2013, 1:02pm
        Yap. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Nov 30 2013, 1:09pm
    Oft evil will shall evil mar. Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Nov 30 2013, 7:31pm
        Indeed. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 30 2013, 9:00pm

 
 
 

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