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I love your answer here

Brethil
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Nov 26 2013, 5:46am


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Absolutely no wrong answer here, Mikah!!!!! I posted it to see what people 'gut' feeling was as they read the text, so you are certainly fine in having that reaction!
ts interesting, isn't it, the gamble that the Valar make with Free Will? Eru too I suppose, especially with Men outside the Song. It's like Eru has faith... here is a good question. Whom does Eru have faith in????
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Your rephrasing of the question, just caused me to see it in a more philosophical light.Wink When you get down to the heart of the matter it really is a question of free will, isn't it? With free will, we are free to choose rightly or wrongly in any course of action. We can not negate the ability to make the ummm, bad decisions without negating the ability to make the good. Perhaps Eru did have faith that eventually the good; courage, honor; self-sacrifice, and love, as which was so often displayed by our Middle Earth hero's, would outweigh the bad. Could this be his faith? Or is his faith something more transcendent? Understood! (Rephrasing and rephilosphizing happen a lot around here!)

Your point about choosing light or dark ties in so well with the highs and lows of the Song construct: one is needed to have the other.

Eru having faith in free will, with the choices which affirm life. That's great. An interesting difference in Eru as a divinity: he is not what I would call 'neutral', even if he is arguably more distant then the gods of other mythologies. His bent and his perceived will in JRRT's mind seems quite clearly for 'good'. I suppose it could be faith in Men, if that is it, as a truer reflection of himself? He creates Morgoth as well, but also opposes him - maybe as a child of Eru but not his ideal.


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(This post was edited by Brethil on Nov 26 2013, 5:47am)

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Unfinished Tales Discussion: The Wanderings of Tuor, first part Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 25 2013, 4:14pm
    Ulmo and Feanor in the tale Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 25 2013, 4:17pm
        The fate of Tuor??? Mikah Send a private message to Mikah Nov 26 2013, 1:31am
            Fate vs free will in Tuor Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 26 2013, 3:21am
                Tuor fated to Gondolin? Mikah Send a private message to Mikah Nov 26 2013, 4:00am
                    Oh dear! No correction whatsoever ! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 26 2013, 4:05am
                        Faith and free will... Mikah Send a private message to Mikah Nov 26 2013, 4:25am
                            I love your answer here Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 26 2013, 5:46am
                                Haldir...philosopher of Middle Earth... Mikah Send a private message to Mikah Nov 27 2013, 1:04am
                                    Perfect quote here Mikah Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 27 2013, 3:23am
                                        Joy in the small things Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Nov 28 2013, 2:02am
                                            Well said Rem! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 28 2013, 3:20am
        More Answers Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Nov 26 2013, 3:16am
            More about Ulmo. One of my favorite subjects! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 26 2013, 3:51am
                Divine Authorship Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Nov 28 2013, 1:57am
                    Epiphany.... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 1:54am
                        It was an important point Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Nov 30 2013, 5:21pm
                            The unknowns of free will Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 7:09pm
                            Actually, Tuor's quest failed, too. Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Nov 30 2013, 7:44pm
                                I do think Ulmo knew it Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 7:58pm
                                    So then Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Nov 30 2013, 8:15pm
                                        Not a ploy - maybe a forlorn hope? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 8:30pm
                                        Hope for the best; prepare for the worst? Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Nov 30 2013, 9:11pm
        Yet another one! sador Send a private message to sador Nov 28 2013, 8:46pm
            More on Tuor Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 1:52am
        Sea-calling Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Nov 29 2013, 7:30pm
            Beautiful citation here Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 2:06am
    These are interesting questions. Mikah Send a private message to Mikah Nov 26 2013, 1:11am
        A tale of two cousins... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 26 2013, 3:11am
    Answers.... Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Nov 26 2013, 2:23am
        Words...words...words...and Easterlings. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 26 2013, 3:39am
            Golden vs Dark Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Nov 28 2013, 1:55am
    Short Answers sador Send a private message to sador Nov 28 2013, 8:24pm
        Echoes and politics Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 1:11am
            Hey! You're stealing my line! sador Send a private message to sador Dec 1 2013, 6:15am
                Easterlings Asger Send a private message to Asger Dec 1 2013, 12:55pm
                We are trading lines this week Sador... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Dec 4 2013, 1:18am
    Answers Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Nov 29 2013, 7:18pm
        Thoughts back! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 30 2013, 12:50am

 
 
 

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