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*spoilers* Smaug/Laketown

The Mitch King
Rohan


Nov 23 2013, 5:59am

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So I google "will Smaug die in the Desolation of Smaug" and I came across this old article on TORN actually and it had this quote from a German Magazine:

“One climax of the new trilogy, which over 2000 actors and extras worked on, is the death of the dragon. Whether Smaug’s fall will end part 2 however is yet unknown."

Now, behold my wondrous logic here…

PJ has said (somewhere) that DoS has one of the biggest scenes or set pieces he has ever been a part of. 2000 actors and extras mentioned above matches anything in LOTR as far as I can tell from the LOTR EE Appendices. You might also notice it says "ONE CLIMAX of the new trilogy…..is the death of the dragon". Obviously Smaug won't die as a climax in TABA right? So with PJ's comments and this quote is it ridiculous to suggest maybe they will slip it in this movie??

It sounds like it will be a ridiculously large, complex and incredible scene! Are they really going to push this scene into TABA?? I just can't imagine some kind of huge cliff hanger in a Peter Jackson ME movie and Smaug flying off or something would leave a lot of fans disappointed I'll bet.

Can't wait for December 13!


Bernhardina
Rohan


Nov 23 2013, 9:11am

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It looks that way. But I wonder if they will make Smaugs death a "ridiculously large, complex and incredible scene" because I just can't see it. Of course it will have to be epic because it is the death of the main villain, but won't it be mostly CGI? I mean, what do they need 2000 actors and extras for? They just need Bard and a hell lot of great CGI.

I am guessing the climax PJ refers to is the burning of Laketown, which MIGHT happen in DoS while the death of Smaug might happen in TABA. I really don't want that to happen, 'cause those events are linked. I agree, I don't want a "Smaug flying towards lake town"-cliffhanger and I don't think we are getting one. But the climax of DoS could be several things; death of Smaug, the orc attack on Laketown, white council at Dol Guldur, Smaug attacking the dwarves in Erebor or maybe something that is entirely created by PJ, FW and PB.


I hope it will be the death of Smaug, but it is unlikely, because they would then have to create something for the audience to come back to TABA for. Remember, those who have not read the book will probably go "What? A third one? But the dragon is dead!" because the first movie really painted Smaug as the main villain.

Besides, would you want to watch TABA just for a lot of political quarrel and no dragon? Wink

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Arandir
Gondor


Nov 23 2013, 9:16am

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the death of the dragon has been incorporated with the BoFA sequence - which would be a travesty btw....

But it might explain the large number of extras at any one time.

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing 2,000 real people during the Lake-town sequence (and in DOS for that matter) Smile

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Arandir
Gondor


Nov 23 2013, 9:19am

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I don't want a "Smaug flying towards lake town"-cliffhanger

Precisely my thoughts ... and also, I can't imagine the attack on lake-town occuring in the first few minutes of TABA - totally anticlimactic.


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I hope it will be the death of Smaug, but it is unlikely, because they would then have to create something for the audience to come back to TABA for.

Again, precisely what I was thinking too. Although I'm really looking forward to the sequence playing out in DOS, I can't help but think about the disadvantages of it not being in TABA Crazy




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Moahunter
Rohan


Nov 23 2013, 9:31am

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2000 actors and extras !!!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I very much doubt that figure even as the total who have worked in all 3 films.


Arannir
Valinor


Nov 23 2013, 10:19am

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I hope it will be the death of Smaug, but it is unlikely, because they would then have to create something for the audience to come back to TABA for. Remember, those who have not read the book will probably go "What? A third one? But the dragon is dead!" because the first movie really painted Smaug as the main villain.

Besides, would you want to watch TABA just for a lot of political quarrel and no dragon? Wink


But don't forget TABA will have the Dol Guldur battle for all we know. Sauron and Smaug might change the role of the main villain during the end of DoS.


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Gondor


Nov 23 2013, 12:35pm

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I still go with and hope for... (possible spoiler) [In reply to] Can't Post

the "Battle under the Trees". An army of Orcs (the one we see in the trailer) from Dol Guldur attacks the Woodland Realm. A huge battle although not as big as the "Battle of Five Armies". This is the moment when Thranduil ends his isolation policy because he accepts that this won't help his people.

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Bernhardina
Rohan


Nov 23 2013, 3:35pm

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Wink I like the idea!

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Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Nov 23 2013, 4:02pm

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I thought I read in a synopsis of DoS somewhere that Thranduil's realm will be assailed by the forces of Dol Guldur during film 2. I think that would explain the large numbers of orcs we see marching out from the ruined fortress in the trailers. I think it's a great way of alluding to the scene they didn't manage to fit into FotR with the elves of Lorien annihilating the host of Moria on their borders. That was such a nail-biting sequence in the book, with the company hiding up in the flet and Gollum skulking about. Would have been wonderful to see on screen.

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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Nov 24 2013, 9:09pm

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"Besides, would you want to watch TABA just for a lot of political quarrel and no dragon?"

This is why i think Smaug will make it to TaBA. Finishing that story thread so soon in DoS seems to me like it would completely deflate the momentum of the trilogy.

 
 

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