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Indirect free style - similarites with leitmotifs and musical themes?

noWizardme
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Nov 22 2013, 11:43am


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Indirect free style - similarites with leitmotifs and musical themes? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm beginning to wonder whether there are similarities between the different writing styles which Tolkien uses to describe his different characters in action, and the way these characters are "described" and commented upon in Howard Shore's music (which we've recently had very nicely described in Ida's paper in this symposium ). With both the choice of style and the music, there's the opportunity to influence the audience (but in a way they mostly won't notice unless they concentrate on that aspect). Or, you can let rip an be very overt if you have the writing/composing chops to bear the scrutiny- so maybe the Eowyn passage I quote in my essay is the indirect free style equivalent of the "lighting the beacons" moment of Peter Jackson's ROTK film Smile

There you see - very stimulating things, these symposia!

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

Subject User Time
TORn AMATEUR SYMPOSIUM ESSAY: "Narrating Middle-earth" by NoWizardme TORn Amateur Symposium Send a private message to TORn Amateur Symposium Nov 21 2013, 3:16pm
    Excellent reading acheron Send a private message to acheron Nov 21 2013, 3:47pm
        Need a lot if highlighter pens :) noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 21 2013, 4:06pm
    Something I had not really clarified in my mind... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Nov 21 2013, 4:00pm
        Authorial asides and children's books noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 21 2013, 4:20pm
            I wonder if the trend away from avuncular narration Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Nov 22 2013, 5:59am
                avuncular narraton and visual media noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 22 2013, 11:03am
                    this is a rather interesting idea... telain Send a private message to telain Nov 23 2013, 11:50pm
                        There is also the Noir detective movies Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Nov 24 2013, 12:19am
                            The hard-boiled first-person narrator Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Nov 24 2013, 4:20am
                        special narrative challenges of speculative fiction noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 24 2013, 9:18am
    So much to talk about... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 21 2013, 4:23pm
        Council of Elrond noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 21 2013, 5:48pm
            Foreshadowing and narration by Glorfindel Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 22 2013, 10:34pm
            Well, considering sador Send a private message to sador Nov 24 2013, 5:57pm
    About Tolkien's narration ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 21 2013, 4:39pm
        First person avuncular…and other kinds of narrators noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 21 2013, 5:32pm
            Thank you for the suggestions! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 21 2013, 10:55pm
                Dictated to? Spoon fed? Something like that! Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Nov 22 2013, 12:27am
                    Something along the lines of "emotional blackmail" ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 22 2013, 10:01pm
                Choose Your Own Adventure - another example of 2nd person noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 22 2013, 10:54am
                    Yes! I use to love them as a child. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 22 2013, 10:04pm
                        Reminds me of my Dungeons and Dragons evenings... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 22 2013, 10:17pm
                            Ha Ha! Kim Send a private message to Kim Nov 22 2013, 11:59pm
                                Yes, my dear Pot. This kettle is Black. Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 23 2013, 12:08am
                                    D&D elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Nov 23 2013, 3:25pm
                                        Oh indeed! I can graft you right into the game!!!! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 23 2013, 5:43pm
                                A hobbit / LOTR choose your own adventure noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 23 2013, 4:12pm
                                    Hmmm....sounds like a fun project...// Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 23 2013, 5:41pm
                                        It might make ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 23 2013, 10:17pm
                                            Agreed Daniel! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 23 2013, 10:22pm
                                                This forum software has a further advantage for a" choose your own adventure" kind of experiment noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 24 2013, 10:25am
                                                    Debating some ideas... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 25 2013, 8:29pm
                                                    Er- I hope nobody is pushed IN to Mt Doom!// elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Nov 25 2013, 8:38pm
                                                        *bwaahaahaaa* Oops sorry, did I just laugh evilly out loud? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 25 2013, 8:41pm
                                                            Oops, the typo demon strikes…// noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 25 2013, 9:37pm
                                                                Typo demon or typo Balrog? Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 26 2013, 2:50am
                                                                    "The dork fire will not avail you, flaming undies?" // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 26 2013, 8:31am
                                                                        "Tolkien assisted by autocorrect " seemed a natural game for Main. So I started it off noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 26 2013, 7:00pm
                                                                            See you there!! // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 26 2013, 10:09pm
    A very enjoyable read! sador Send a private message to sador Nov 21 2013, 9:52pm
    1st person narrative Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Nov 22 2013, 12:17am
        Yes, that first (A Long Expected Party) chapter is distinct noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 22 2013, 11:28am
            I don't know if there exists anywhere Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Nov 23 2013, 12:06am
                You're right, of course squire Send a private message to squire Nov 23 2013, 1:26am
                    "Grabsome", "flabbergastation" noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 23 2013, 9:18am
                        I noticed those words too squire Send a private message to squire Nov 23 2013, 7:25pm
                    Tolkiens writing process astonishes me- and is another factor, I expect noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 23 2013, 10:26am
                    "Uncle Ronald" Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 23 2013, 5:55pm
    I do remember when I was young Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Nov 22 2013, 12:21am
    This is really interesting! Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Nov 22 2013, 1:07am
    When I read Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Nov 22 2013, 3:50am
    Indirect free style - similarites with leitmotifs and musical themes? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 22 2013, 11:43am
        Well I certainly agree with your sentiment here about the Symposium! Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 22 2013, 9:56pm
            "I am no Man - and I have a leit-sabre" noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 23 2013, 9:42am
                I read those changes in tone Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Nov 23 2013, 3:57pm
                    A great metaphor and you brought it home Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 23 2013, 5:52pm
                        Have you explained to Ioreth what *correctly worn* means?// elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Nov 23 2013, 6:06pm
                            "Is anything worn under the kilt?" "No, it's all in perfect working order." // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 23 2013, 6:12pm
                                I should have known... Dame Ioreth Send a private message to Dame Ioreth Nov 23 2013, 10:10pm
                            We did discuss it...in...ahem...another context. So yes. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 23 2013, 6:46pm
                                Wow, little did I know Kim Send a private message to Kim Nov 23 2013, 10:28pm
                                    Clearly a sign of your excellent taste. // Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 23 2013, 11:06pm
                Groan. Me and my typos... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Nov 23 2013, 5:30pm
    wonderful essay NWM telain Send a private message to telain Nov 23 2013, 11:57pm
    Fantastic essay! Joe20 Send a private message to Joe20 Nov 24 2013, 1:17am
    A little late but Kim Send a private message to Kim Nov 27 2013, 3:04am
    Title card: "One Week Later..." cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Nov 28 2013, 6:17am
        style and framing narrative noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Nov 28 2013, 2:25pm
            Definitely... cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Nov 29 2013, 11:54pm

 
 
 

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