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NoelGallagher
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Nov 19 2013, 9:00am
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Do you think DoS will open (after the prologue) with the company walking/climbing down the Carrock?!
I do because i hope to see it again...or do you think what we've seen in AUJ was everything and they wont show the Carrock again ?!
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Fleuz
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Nov 19 2013, 9:09am
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In AUJ you saw stairs carved into Carrock.
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So it could be showed. If not in the TC, than maybe in the EE.
And there was planned a dialogue with Gandalf, where he says something like "…this is why the eagles cannot take you to the Erebor". This conversation could take place while they climb down.
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lidlessEye
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Nov 19 2013, 9:31am
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i really really hope, that it will start (after the prologue) with the dwarfs climbing down the carrock.
the carrock and its landscape was one of my favourite scenes in AUJ
also i want to see, if it really is an island inside the anduin (you can see a small river from the angle, but not a big river like in FotR)
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MouthofSauron
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Nov 19 2013, 9:31am
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regarding the eagles, they didn't know where they were going, they just flew them to a safe spot.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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Fleuz
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Nov 19 2013, 9:49am
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that such a scene was actually filmed.
He made a joke, 'cause McKellan said "beagles" instead of "eagles"… 
Maybe a scene for the illiterate audience.
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lidlessEye
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Nov 19 2013, 9:50am
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...this sounds so much like a scene for the SEE :(
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Fleuz
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Nov 19 2013, 10:03am
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the generic audience sits in the cinemas. So it would make more sense to show it right away, instead of waiting for the EE, imHo.
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Rohirrim Rider
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Nov 19 2013, 11:17am
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regarding the eagles, they didn't know where they were going, they just flew them to a safe spot.
For a casual audience the question of why Gandalf, if he can summon them for help, can't use them to take them to Erabor, is a fair one and the answer - that they won't fly over the lands of men and be hunted with arrows - is a satisfactory one. Not to mention that it's natural for the dwarves to ask the same question. I think it fits in and helps establish the eagles as less of a convenient plot get-out option as they may be seen by some.
(This post was edited by Rohirrim Rider on Nov 19 2013, 11:18am)
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jtarkey
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Nov 19 2013, 11:20am
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I really hope the eagles are addressed in some way in DOS...
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I'll forgive the ending of AUJ because the company had just come out of a heated situation with their leader thought dead.
However, Bilbo really should ask Gandalf about the eagles. That's all it takes. It would quell those who criticize the eagles throughout the series, as well as take up a minimal amount of screen time.
Even though I'm well versed in the books and films, even I felt it odd that the company wasn't more curious about their miraculous escape.
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
^^^ That unnecessary apostrophe and "e" is due to the leaf itself. And this part of the signature was documented quite some time after the effect had worn off.
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macfalk
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Nov 19 2013, 11:25am
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Yeah, and that goes for both TH and LOTR
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Sam and Frodo should also be curious about the eagles who saved them.
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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jtarkey
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Nov 19 2013, 11:30am
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I would argue that neither of them were potrayed as being fully conscious during their rescue
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And that was the culmination of their heroic acts, as well as the moment they were reunited with their companions. More pressing issues were at matter, just as was the case at the end of AUJ.
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
^^^ That unnecessary apostrophe and "e" is due to the leaf itself. And this part of the signature was documented quite some time after the effect had worn off.
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macfalk
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Nov 19 2013, 11:50am
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Yeah but also the soldiers at the Black Gate fighting
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including Merry and Pippin & co should be in some shock that giant birds somehow showed up and saved the day, just like they did in the BOFA.
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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Olorin2607
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Nov 19 2013, 11:53am
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the Carrock might still play a part because well there are these stairs and also the rock itself is shaped like the head of a bear. ;) You can even see the ears on the top.
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jtarkey
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Nov 19 2013, 12:04pm
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Amazed enough to stop, in the middle of the last battle for all of middle earth, and acknowledge them.
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
^^^ That unnecessary apostrophe and "e" is due to the leaf itself. And this part of the signature was documented quite some time after the effect had worn off.
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lidlessEye
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Nov 19 2013, 12:16pm
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the only part the argonath played was, that the fellowship navigate through them...they were not even mentioned in FotR
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Kendalf
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Nov 19 2013, 1:29pm
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I hope so as it would set the scene nicely
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Do you think DoS will open (after the prologue) with the company walking/climbing down the Carrock?!
I hope so. It'd add to the sense of continuity and provide a suitable means of re-introducing audiences to each of the thirteen dwarves as each steps / leaps down into shot one or two at a time.
It appears they're not going to be introducing themselves incrementally to Beorn, so the descent of the Carrock would be a suitable alternative.
"I have found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."
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Nightwing
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Nov 19 2013, 3:41pm
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But I would definitely like to see it again, and have the characters talk about it.
The Silmarillion (film series)
The Flight of the Noldor - Beren and Lúthien - The Children of Húrin - The Necklace of the Dwarves - The Fall of Gondolin - The War of Wrath
Someday.
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Aitieuriskon
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Nov 19 2013, 3:51pm
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I think the Argonath had a greater role than that
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In the books they give an early glimpse of Aragorn's ancestral pride. In the film they function in this way as well, providing the opportunity to show Aragorn's appreciation of his heritage rather than his usual reluctant attitude when confronted with the subject of his royal blood. This also marks the geographical emergence of the Fellowship into the realms inhabited primarily by men rather than other races.
I think the Carrock too could provide an opportunity to contribute to the plot of the movie. The bear-design might prompt an inquisitive Bilbo to ask Gandalf what the next point on their route is, transitioning smoothly into the Beorn sequence.
"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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Faleel
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Nov 19 2013, 4:56pm
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Aragorn mentions them.....
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MouthofSauron
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Nov 19 2013, 6:47pm
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they can fly over mountain peaks...
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arrows didn't stop them from showing up at the BOT5A or at the end of ROTK.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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sauget.diblosio
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Nov 19 2013, 7:16pm
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it was an awesome location (the best in the film, although Dol Guldur was cool too), and i would love to see the Company descending those crazy stairs.
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