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lungorthin
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Nov 17 2013, 5:03am

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Orc woman!

Hi everyone! im new to torn and have always been looking on the message boards. i just saw this today which motivated me to share with you all!
im from australia and i was reading a magazine called new idea. in it there was an interview with Conan stevens (Bolg) and Manu Bennet (Azog) who are both aussie actors. They went on to explain some spoilery information. Bolg and azog have a lot of screentime together in the next two installments. Apparently their relationship will develop throughout the films. they mention as quoted " conan stevens- "though they are orcs, these two share a common enemy and motivation in slaying the line of durin. Bolg can be some what of a rebel to his fathers order (laughs) i dont want to know what kind of a spanking an orc dad would give his boy!" then another part of the interview where manu comes in he mentions this, which got me really excited!
Manu Bennet- "One thing that tolkien described orcs as is truly evil. Azog is an evil orc, but one could say there is some exception of ill fortune and tragedy in him, particularly when you see the motivation for him to hate thorin. It all revolves around a certain orc woman close to Azog, but I cant say too much. It might be film three stuff."

I cant really upload pictures from the mag as i dont have a scaner, but it is all true!Smile
who could this orc woman be though? azogs wife? azogs sister? azogs mum? Im not sure but im sure you will all have some ideasSmile
looking forward to my time on the one ring.net Cool thanks


(This post was edited by Ataahua on Nov 17 2013, 6:23am)


Werde Spinner
Rohan


Nov 17 2013, 5:08am

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Mae govannen, lungorthin! [In reply to] Can't Post

Welcome to TORn!

This is a very interesting tidbit indeed. I never dreamed they would actually go so far as to include orc women, although we know they had to have existed. This should be interesting. Shocked Crazy Laugh My bet would be on Azog's wife (do orcs marry? Hmm)/Bolg's mother. Perhaps she was killed by Dwarves and that is why Azog swore vengeance on the line of Durin?? The idea is so amusing I almost like it.

Am now picturing an orcette (orcess? orcwife? How do we call orc women?) in an apron making cookies with sharp implements of death and destruction... Laugh

"I had forgotten that. It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels. The world is all grown strange. Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the Sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark! How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"

"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."


boldog
Rohan


Nov 17 2013, 5:13am

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what new idea issue is it frombecause my mum reads it [In reply to] Can't Post

Sounds interesting I just want to read it myselfWink
This is literally what I have dreamed for agesSmile

"And do you really think, Thorin Oakenshield, that Bolg will have the slightest symphony for you? After he watched you hack his fathers hand off, so ruthlessly in Moria. Azogs defeat has brought nothing to you, only refuelled hate of his kin, upon yours"


lungorthin
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Nov 17 2013, 5:16am

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hi Boldog and werde spinner [In reply to] Can't Post

to answer your question boldog its actually from an issue in septemberSmile


boldog
Rohan


Nov 17 2013, 5:21am

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Wow! [In reply to] Can't Post

Bang on the money, there it is in a september issue. interesting read it will be. Thanks for this Again lungorthin!
pity it couldnt be in a more popular movie magazine though.....

"And do you really think, Thorin Oakenshield, that Bolg will have the slightest symphony for you? After he watched you hack his fathers hand off, so ruthlessly in Moria. Azogs defeat has brought nothing to you, only refuelled hate of his kin, upon yours"

(This post was edited by entmaiden on Nov 17 2013, 2:51pm)


HiddenSpring
Lorien

Nov 17 2013, 5:23am

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LOL [In reply to] Can't Post

If this comes to pass, it will potentially be the most hilarious plot point in all six films. Please make this happen! Sly


patrickk
Rohan

Nov 17 2013, 5:44am

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Not sure they both Aussies [In reply to] Can't Post

...careful at offending Kiwis by making antipodean assumptions; bit like mistaking Canadians for Americans; or Irish for Brits etc


Starling
Half-elven


Nov 17 2013, 5:48am

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As long as they keep Russell Crowe [In reply to] Can't Post

I do not mind.


Ataahua
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Nov 17 2013, 6:24am

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I've shifted the spoiler to the body of your post [In reply to] Can't Post

so that those who wish to avoid it can do so.

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Sauron: "Mine's better."

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FoundEntwife
Rivendell


Nov 17 2013, 6:26am

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I'm not surprised [In reply to] Can't Post

I seem to recall seeing an orc woman warrior in The Return of the King, right at the siege of Gondor.

This tale grew in the telling. . .






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tarasaurus
Rohan


Nov 17 2013, 6:35am

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Hahaha so weird [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm picturing female orcs as looking like the male orcs, but with long fluttering eyelashes, lipstick, and tattered leather aprons for clothes. Now I feel I must photoshop this.


tarasaurus
Rohan


Nov 17 2013, 6:36am

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actually.. [In reply to] Can't Post

I went looking at LotR screencaps. I found this picture - is that an orc woman on the top right?? If so, she looks awesome!




Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 17 2013, 8:27am

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Bomby is All for Gender Parity! [In reply to] Can't Post

WE need a little " Female ORC Energy"?

Phillipa was Right...

Bomby would love if there wazz
a Legion of Gundabad FemaleORCS?
in the BO5A...sorta

"Amazon-mbies"

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What?
Did Goblins JUS' spring out of the Ground?"

Somewhere, Deep, Deep Down
.. in GoblinTown
there is a
DayCare
Center?

This Thread could Be
ORCJoke Central
{Like a Pants Thread?}

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It's my Time
of the Month?"

Azork to BettyBad

"Honey, I just ATE the Kids"

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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2013, 9:29am

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I think this is more a case of [In reply to] Can't Post

a woman playing an orc. And yes, she/he looks awesome-- love the Moria orcs.


Elskidor
Rohan


Nov 17 2013, 11:19am

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I'd like to read this myself [In reply to] Can't Post

I just find it odd none of this has been brought up until now, and it's had two months to find it's way around the internet.


Mithfânion
Rivendell

Nov 17 2013, 11:28am

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Good info [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
Bolg and azog have a lot of screentime together in the next two installments. Apparently their relationship will develop throughout the films. they mention as quoted " conan stevens- "though they are orcs, these two share a common enemy and motivation in slaying the line of durin. Bolg can be some what of a rebel to his fathers order (laughs)






Very interesting to learn that Azog and Bolg are both supposed to get a lot of screen time in the next two films.
And they have it with each other is an interesting bonus. I guess this is another one for the 'Stevens is still in as Bolg" crowd.


(This post was edited by Mithfânion on Nov 17 2013, 11:30am)


Shagrat
Gondor

Nov 17 2013, 11:29am

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Can't see it [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm convinced Manu is joking here.


deskp
Lorien


Nov 17 2013, 5:20pm

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oh oh oh [In reply to] Can't Post

I really hope stevens is still bolg... And I hope his designs is a good one.


Alassëa Eruvande
Valinor


Nov 17 2013, 5:29pm

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For some reason [In reply to] Can't Post

the thought that Azog has a mother creeps me out. Crazy



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architecthis
Lorien


Nov 17 2013, 5:46pm

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Dumb [In reply to] Can't Post

This is absolutely ridiculous if true.

This will humanize the Orcs and for what reason? I can only assume to make them more sympathetic characters and sympathy does not equal depth.

these next two might be worse than the first.


Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Nov 17 2013, 7:50pm

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

The bit about the female orc sounds like Manu being a bit facetious in the light of so many characters seemingly being driven by private feuds against the killers of family members. However, I think the comments on increased screen time for the pair and possible characterization for both are plausible.

"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951


Na Vedui
Rohan


Nov 17 2013, 8:28pm

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This, of course... [In reply to] Can't Post

... explains why Azog is always so clean. Mrs Azog (or Azog's Mum) is on his case, and she's a holy terrorWink.


Lio
Lorien


Nov 17 2013, 8:51pm

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Would you have scans/pictures by any chance? [In reply to] Can't Post

As far as I'm concerned this spoiler is too good to be true so I would love to see some "proof", if you're willing to take the time to share it. Smile It would be greatly appreciated!

By the way I tried looking up this magazine. It looks like one of those, well, kind of trashy celebrity gossip magazines, so if the article in question does exist I'm not surprised it's been missed up until now. Blush

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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2013, 8:59pm

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Meh... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not buying it. The concept of an orc woman being included and her being Azog's motivation is a bit far fetched for me. Plus, it sounds like this magazine is kind of a gossip magazine and I rarely read or believe what is printed in those things. Why wouldn't this have come out before now if it was true? Wouldn't Manu Bennet have said something about it elsewhere as well?


Anyway, Mae Govannen, lungorthin! Welcome to the forums!Smile


sycorax82
Rohan

Nov 17 2013, 9:49pm

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Though I honestly doubt we will see Bolg until TaBA [In reply to] Can't Post

This sounds like material they have added to pad things out even further. It won't fit in DoS, seeing as there's already a ton of material to deal with, but it could be used to ramp up the tension at the start of TaBA.

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