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Smaug's Attack on Erebor


Nov 10 2013, 4:53pm

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Smaug's Attack on Erebor Can't Post

Both the animated adaption and The live action both portrayed Smaug's attack in the daytime while the song makes it sound like it's at night also Thorin says he was outside at the time

"The pines were roaring on the hieght, The winds were moaning in the night"

"The mountain smoke beneath the moon"

so was it day or night pehaps the poem is talking abut the night after the attack?


Nov 10 2013, 8:20pm

Post #2 of 8 (204 views)
It was night. [In reply to] Can't Post

From The Hobbit, "Inside Information":


The afternoon was turning into evening when [Bilbo] came out again [from the tunnel] and fell in a faint on the 'doorstep.

So, it was full night by the time that Smaug attacked Esgaroth.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

Hamfast Gamgee
Grey Havens

Nov 10 2013, 8:39pm

Post #3 of 8 (197 views)
Night might make more sense [In reply to] Can't Post

It would be more difficult to use archery against Smaug at night.


Nov 10 2013, 9:04pm

Post #4 of 8 (195 views)
The night scene is further confirmed in the chapter "Fire and Water" [In reply to] Can't Post

The scene in Lake-town just before Smaug's attack:


The men of the lake-town Esgaroth were mostly indoors, for the breeze was from the black East and chill, but a few were walking on the quays, and watching, as they were fond of doing, the stars shine out from the smooth patches of the lake as they opened in the sky. From their town the Lonely Mountain was mostly screened by the low hills at the far end of the lake, through a gap in which the Running River came down from the North. Only its high peak could they see in clear weather, and they looked seldom at it, for it was ominous and drear even in the light of morning. Now it was lost and gone, blotted in the dark.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Nov 10 2013, 9:20pm

Post #5 of 8 (187 views)
I was referring to [In reply to] Can't Post

I was actually referring Smaug's original attack on the Lonely Mountain that displaced the dwarves


Nov 10 2013, 9:30pm

Post #6 of 8 (188 views)
Right, sorry. [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin's song certainly seems to indicate that Smaug attacked the Mountain at night (or perhaps early evening?). Not only do we have the line:

The winds were moaning in the night.

But two verses later we also have:

The mountain smoked beneath the moon;
The dwarves, they heard the tramp of doom.
They fled their hall to dying fall
Beneath his feet, beneath the moon.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Nov 11 2013, 12:50am

Post #7 of 8 (167 views)
Well, the moon can be out during the day. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I am totally just kidding! Cool I think you're right that the book version clearly has the attack at night.

Tol Eressea

Nov 12 2013, 1:18am

Post #8 of 8 (159 views)
We discussed this earlier.... [In reply to] Can't Post


Call me Rem. Rembrethil is a lot to type!!


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