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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 3:00am

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Conan Stevens... Can't Post

Ok so he dropped his good role he had on Game of Thrones for The Hobbit and now PJ decides to replace him with cgi and from the look of the vlog the actor who plays Azog is motion-capturing for Bolg. So did Conan Stevens refuse to mo-cap his character?


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flameofudun
Lorien

Nov 10 2013, 3:21am

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Since when [In reply to] Can't Post

Was it confirmed that he dropped his role as bolg? He just had an interview with TORn and it proved he's still in the movie. It's all good. He will be in it.

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-Gimli


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 3:29am

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But why was the Azog actor.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Mo-capping for Bolg in the vlog?


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DwellerInDale
Rohan


Nov 10 2013, 3:30am

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That is Lawrence Makoare [In reply to] Can't Post

The mo-cap actor is Lawrence Makoare (Lurtz, Gothmog, the Witch King) (he is also listed in the credits for DoS). It remains to be seen whether this is a newly redesigned Bolg or whether this is another Gundabad orc.





Don't mess with my favorite female elf.






ecthelionsbeard
Lorien

Nov 10 2013, 3:32am

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Conan Stevens... [In reply to] Can't Post

just had an interview with Torn about his upcoming role in the desolation of smaug. The interview was conducted less than three weeks ago. This nigh confirms he's still in as, logistically, if all his work was totally redone by another actor, this would have happened months ago and Conan would have known by now. He IS in the movie. Rest easy.


(This post was edited by ecthelionsbeard on Nov 10 2013, 3:33am)


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 3:32am

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In the vlog.. [In reply to] Can't Post

He was holding bolg's battle axe.


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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 3:35am

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So he hasn't been replaced by cgi? [In reply to] Can't Post

All the talk here is that Bolg has been replaced with mo-cap.


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pacochoa
Bree

Nov 10 2013, 4:57am

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Not so sure we can rest easy... [In reply to] Can't Post

...Conan might just be out of the loop.
If he was replaced again by cgi, he might not find out until the movie comes out. My money is actually on a cgi Bolg with no Conan.


(This post was edited by pacochoa on Nov 10 2013, 4:58am)


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 5:12am

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Were you being sarcastic? [In reply to] Can't Post

I mean if you were LOL Wink I can see it now...Conan Stevens opening up a letter from PJ on December 13th...Sorry Mr. Stevens I replaced you with cgi.


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Frodo Lives
The Shire

Nov 10 2013, 5:14am

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Unfortunately... [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree. If Azog can be put into the movies with only weeks before release, for all we know they'll replace Conan's Bolg with a robot from the future.


Frodo Lives
The Shire

Nov 10 2013, 5:18am

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It happens. [In reply to] Can't Post

Matthew Fox originally had a fairly big role in World War Z. Then they decided they didn't like the way the movie went, reshot the second half, and left 95% of Fox's role on the floor. I think he's in the movie for only a handful of shots now.


bungobaggins
Lorien

Nov 10 2013, 5:22am

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Alex North's Score for 2001: A Space Odyssey [In reply to] Can't Post

The original score for 2001 was composed by Alex North. During post production Kubrick tossed out North's score in favor of his temp track. Kubrick never informed North of this change. North found out at the film's premiere when he did not hear any of his music played during the film!

These things are not unheard of.


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 5:32am

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And don't forget PJ scrapped Howard Shore's score [In reply to] Can't Post

For King Kong right before the release.


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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 5:37am

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I think the cosmetic Azog was not impressive [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the cgi Azog was better but that's just me.


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ecthelionsbeard
Lorien

Nov 10 2013, 5:42am

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I understand that much but... [In reply to] Can't Post

the puzzler here is the interview Stevens participated in just a few weeks ago with Torn. Certainly Pete would have told him if he was replaced by another actor by now, right? Surely... Crazy


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 5:47am

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Ok but.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Has he said he's been mo-capping bolg? Because a member posted a few days ago that in the vlog we see the actor who played lurtz mo-capping and holding bolg's axe.


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Blkcpt
Rivendell

Nov 10 2013, 5:53am

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Maybe.. [In reply to] Can't Post

The lurtz actor is doing the motion capture and the game of thrones actor is doing the voice? On side note since it was brought up....was Howard shores soundtrack for king kong ever released? Or is it in some secret vault somewhere?


(This post was edited by Blkcpt on Nov 10 2013, 5:58am)


ecthelionsbeard
Lorien

Nov 10 2013, 5:56am

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It's all a bit confusing... [In reply to] Can't Post

...because, yes, as per the the latest blog, Lawrence McCormick was seen mo-capping as an orc and holding what appears to be Bolg's mace. But then why, up until at least as recent as 3 weeks ago, does Conan Stevens still think he's playing Bolg in Desolation if PJ did indeed replace him with McCormick? Crazy


tarasaurus
Rohan


Nov 10 2013, 6:13am

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Maybe [In reply to] Can't Post

they had someone temporarily replacing him for mo-cap - in the AUJ EE, they showed Jed Brophy did that for Andy Serkis when Andy couldn't do some of the mocap (I think he was too busy on 2nd unit at the time). It was just temporary though.


Joe20
Lorien


Nov 10 2013, 6:19am

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That was for pre-viz [In reply to] Can't Post

 


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 6:31am

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Lawrence makoare is listed on imdb for DOS [In reply to] Can't Post

As "Orc chieftain" and Conan Stevens is not listed...


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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Nov 10 2013, 6:37am

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I don't think so [In reply to] Can't Post

If Bolg was in the AUJ EE we would know by now.


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Silverlode
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Nov 10 2013, 6:44am

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All the live actors have CGI counterparts. [In reply to] Can't Post

but not all of them do all their own mo-cap. In LOTR, the overhead shot of the Fellowship running across the Bridge of Khazad-dum was all CGI. And as far as I know, they didn't bother to have all the actors come in to mo-cap that scene. They just did the animation at Weta, and if they'd needed mo-cap they would have got someone already there to do it rather than paying "hero" characters for a day's work when it could be done by a stand-in much cheaper.

All wide-shots of battle scenes are either partly or completely CGI, especially those which include background scenery which does not exist in real life, characters which are not human, or whole armies of any kind (for this they use Massive). For the pickups, it's entirely possible that PJ wanted another shot or two of Bolg doing a particular thing as he's editing the battle together. It would be cost-prohibitive to get every actor in to mo-cap his digital self for every pick-up scene - especially if there's only one or two shots and the actor wouldn't be coming in otherwise. They don't need him to come in just to swing an axe once or twice. It's faster and more sensible to have someone of similar size stand in for that, just like they have stunt doubles and stand-ins on the set when shooting live action.

Silverlode

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Nov 10 2013, 6:47am

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He is. Being killed by Dwalin at Azanulbizar. And from the looks of it, that Bolg, unlike Azog [In reply to] Can't Post

is going to stay dead, and the role is going to be redone. Which seems really callous... but ???? UnsureUnsure

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If Bolg was in the AUJ EE we would know by now.


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Silverlode
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Nov 10 2013, 6:52am

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Actually, he is. [In reply to] Can't Post

You have to click on "Full Cast and Crew" and scroll down. He's there, between Jed Brophy and Stephen Hunter. His own page has him listed for all three movies.

Silverlode

"Dark is the water of Kheled-zâram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nâla, and fair were the many-pillared halls of Khazad-dűm in Elder Days before the fall of mighty kings beneath the stone."


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