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Barrow-Wight
Rohan
Nov 6 2013, 1:22am
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Anther LOTR Reference
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Tauriel's line "Are we not part of this world?" is the exact same argument Merry used to convince the Ents to attack Isengard "But you're part of this world! aren't you?" so what do you make of this another reference or lazy writing? lol
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Cillendor
Lorien
Nov 6 2013, 1:42am
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it made me think of the nature of Elves. They are part of this world. Their fate is bound to it and will remain until it passes. Men, however, have a completely different fate from that of Elves which is unknown to all save Eru.
Now Elves, who endure like trees, could easily fall into the same mindset of the Ents: we are bound to this world, we will endure or we will die as this world endures or dies. The Elves we've seen so far have lived up to the higher calling of preparing the world for Men, but Thranduil seems to have been influenced too much by the Silvan Elves, who seem more focused on their own lives than having a great impact fighting evil. Not to mention all of the personal struggles he's faced: watching his father be slaughtered in the Battle of the Last Alliance and watching his king be murdered by greedy Dwarves. So it is totally understandable why he would withdraw into the natural world and just seek to endure.
But Tauriel, despite being a daughter of the forest, is young and hasn't seen the same levels of grief. She is idealistic and perhaps feels in her heart that the destiny of Elves is not to merely hide away and exist. She recognizes that if the world is ruined, so will be her people. This is what the Ents had to learn as well: if the world is ruined, so will be the forests.
Anyway, that is my take on it. I could be wrong or looking too deeply into it, but I don't think it was merely poor writing. I think the meaning was very intentional, and serves to show that Thranduil and Legolas are behaving more like weathered trees than Children of Ilúvatar.
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Nira
Lorien
Nov 6 2013, 5:40am
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Agreed! That's exactly what I thought when I first heard it.
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But I figured my interpretation was biased due to my love of  Merry
Honestly, I don't care for all the LOTR echoes/nods. One or two, okay, but not too many to count.
"Why, to think of it, we're in the same tale still! It's going on. Don't the great tales never end?" -Samwise
(This post was edited by Nira on Nov 6 2013, 5:44am)
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Arannir
Valinor
Nov 6 2013, 8:58am
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The line is almost the same...
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... But the context makes it different and imho simply fitting.
Merry says it in a much more pressing situation to a "people" that does not seem to get the urgency of the situation while Tauriel seems to have a general issue with the politics of her Lord.
“All good stories deserve embellishment."
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