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Gandalf vs. the Witch-king


Oct 30 2013, 10:01pm

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I've been listening to the audiobook and just got through the Battle of the Pelennor fields and the destruction of the Witch-king by Eowyn and Merry.

On a couple of occasions, Gandalf remarks that he should have been out on the field of battle, and but for the madness of Denethor, he might have averted much "woe and bitter loss."

I assume he means Theoden's death and Eowyn's and Merry's unfortunate contact with the Witch-king.

But would he really have averted these events or was it inevitable? If he had been free to join the battle, would he have been able to destroy the Witch-king? What about the prophecy? Does "not by the hand of man" include a Maia? What would have been the outcome if he had simply driven the Witch-king away again for a time?

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Gandalf vs. the Witch-king RosieLass Send a private message to RosieLass Oct 30 2013, 10:01pm
    I think he means he could have saved Théoden. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Oct 31 2013, 6:15am
    I don't think JRRT was consistent with the fallibiilty of the Witch King. Eruonen Send a private message to Eruonen Oct 31 2013, 3:44pm
        "Chase off" vs. "destroy" Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Oct 31 2013, 6:52pm
            Fear vs, Force Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Oct 31 2013, 7:18pm
        I'm pretty sure that the Witch-king was a lot more fallible than he thought he was dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Nov 3 2013, 2:50am


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